Anybody else shoot your CCW at 100 yards?

[Ed Ely]

Been doing it for years with a Sig P229/357SIG. Posted my
habit on line at one of my favorite firearms forum and got
laughed out of the county.

That P229 will do it as will many other handguns. All one
has do do is lay in a round or two for effect and the rest
is on target. Try it, you will like it.

 

[CZF]

I can imagine that the .357 SIG is alot like the 10MM or Magnums.

Very flat shooting and accurate on 100 yard targets.

 

[Gewehr98]

Yup, good for showing off...

Any of you folks own a rifle?

But I'd have my reservations about defensive uses of a CCW revolver at 100 yards. Unless you happen to have rifle shooters going after you on a regular basis.

I hunt and shoot silhouette with my bigger handguns out to 250 yards. But I doubt a Desert Eagle or Wichita Silhouette pistol is a good choice for CCW.

 

[Heraclitus]

C'mon folks... do you really suppose BG is gonna hold nice and still for ya?

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[munk]

Rusty;

I don't think shooting a little barrel at a target 100 yards away, on the ground or standing, has much to do with hitting a bad guy at 10 or 20 feet.

But being successful with the small barrel at a hundred yards will do an awful lot of good when you shoot your longer barrels later.



munk

 

[355sigfan]

100 yards with a decent service weapon is not that much of a chore if your a good shooter. WIth a 38 snub well lets just say your a better man with a gun than me if your hitting well at 100 yards.
Pat

 

[Johnny Guest]

Yes, a fair amount - -

Seldom do my shooting pals and I check rifle sights at 100 yards that we don't shoot handguns, for at least 20 or 30 rounds.

Is it a stunt? Yes and no. I would never call it a sporting proposition for hunting game animals. I DO want to be able to convince a bad guy it's a good idea to stay down behind cover while help's on the way. And if the matter is serious enough for gunfire, I don't fancy yielding the field because I don't have a rifle with me.

It is no huge trick to get at least a couple of hits from a magazine or cylinder at 100, with almost any high quality handgun. A big revolver, almost any 1911, anything but the DAO 9mms (and some of THEM, too.) Duck soup with a decent .357 revolver. The real fun is 100 yards+ with a two-inch .38. I recently had a young deputy wander over while I was figuring out the hold with an old pre-Model 10 M&P two-inch, from the 100 yard bench. Ammo was my handloaded 158 LSWC with 4.5 of W231.

This feller regularly qualifies with his Glock .40 and a Mini 14, but he confessed he'd never fired a handgun much at beyond 25 yards, and felt that 50 yards was downright unreasonable. He WOULD listen and take instruction, though. I sketched the sight picture I was using, and then spotted for him. Inside a dozen rounds, he was hitting the TXPT Q silhouette. In another 20, he was making four out of six. Big ol' grin on that lad's face . . .

Best,
Johnny

 

[Ben Shepherd]

One tried a couple shots at a big rock about double man size at a measured 450 yards. Got one for five, luck not skill did it.

Everyone should do the 100 yard thing occasionally, 'cause after you can put 7 of 10 on target at that range 25 yards in seems easy.

 

[biere]

I do it to get into the right frame of mind when I am having one of those days. I have trouble getting total concentration at 25 yards. But once I get it at 100 yards I can keep it as I work in. Of course the more I learn to concentrate at 100 yards, the more I can concentrate close in.

I have slowly gotten better at it, still not accurate but working on it.

I don't do it to make it a skill I would use somewhere other than a shooting range. I do it so my skills at closer ranges are better in case I need to fire my gun at a place other than a shooting range.

As others mentioned it is something that makes you more familiar with the gun. I learned to pay more attention to the ramp sights on my detective special after messing around with it for a bit.

The barrel size mentioned earlier may be a 15 gallon size, it would be the size of a smallish women or a child I guess. Never tried to stuff one in it so I don't know.

Oh, and I shoot about anything at that distance for my concentration issues. Ccw is the topic, but all my handguns have been tried out that far and a bit further if I had the room and was having one of those really really good days.

 

[IrvJr]

100 yards

I can hit human sized steel sillouhettes fairly consistently with my Kimber Pro Carry (4" barrel) semi-auto and with my SW 696 .44 special (3" barrel, 5 shot L frame). I've never tried it with a J frame snub though.

with my J-frame, I can fairly consistently hit the Bianchi steel plates at 25 yards, but it's not as easy as shooting the Kimber or 696 because of the small sites and short sight radius. I've never tried to hit anything beyond 25 yards with the j-frame.

when i shoot at 100 yards, I don't really know where the bullet hits the target elevation wise, but I seem to be on target windage (left and right) wise. It's very satisfying to here the clink on the steel. I kinda aim above the "head" of the sillouhette and fire (single action on the Kimber 1911-style pistol, double action on the 696). I figure it must drop several (I seem to recall calculating something like 6" once) inches at 100 yards.

I don't think I could hit anything smaller consistently at that distance with these guns, but haven't really tried.

 

[w12code3]

All the time

I work in a VERY rural area and many of the engagements we have had in the past have been at "long range." We carry M4s for those occasions, however we do practice with our side arms at 100 yards... well... because you just never know.

I can consistantly make 12-16 inch groups center mass on a standard B26 target firing a stock Sig P220 supported on the hood of the patrol car.

Point of aim is the neck for hits on center mass. I find that group variations are almost always elevation rather than windage.

Frankly, .45 ACP drops less at 100 yards than I expected. Velocity and energy are still viable at 100 yards.

I never expect to have to use this skill as I always have the Rock River and the 870 with rifled slugs with me at work, but it's nice to know that I can make the shot with my sidearm if some twist of Murphy's Law puts me in the position to need to one day.

 

[armoredman]

I did it easily with a Glock 17 at work, measured 110 yards, steel silhuette target, walked 'em in, after three, I bounced all the rest off it. Gonna try it with the CZ PO1 next range trip...

 

[DDGator]

I can reliably hit a man-sized steel shillouette at 100 yards with my Ruger SP-101 9mm fixed sight snub (single action) from a standing position.

Would I ever need to do this in real life? Probably not. Does it teach you a lot about what you and your weapon can do? Yes.

 

[trickyasafox]

never tried it with a snubbie, but free hand with my mk II 8 out of 10 isnt uncommon at all at the hundred yard ram

 

[walking arsenal]

I can.

Its about a 12" group out of my springfield 1911 .45 with 230 grn hardball.

i like to practice that every so often.

 

[kjaniak]

Well it wasn't at 100 yards but I did hit 4 clay pigeons with 12 shots at 50 yards this weekend out of a 4 inch Service Six with .38 WWB. Might not be great shooting but I was pretty happy.

 

[Krag]

Why such an exercise in futility unless it's for bragging rights?

No practical reason for it. All I can say is that if you ever shoot a guy at 100 yards with your CCW gun you better be able to prove to the judge he was potting away at you with an M16! Or your a** is going to be a guest of the state for many moons.

 

[MikeIsaj]

No doubt about it. Bragging rights are important on some level, they keep it interesting. And an ability to shoot at that level will certainly help your CCW uses.

What I'm concerned about is the habits you are forming. Defensive shooting is all about habit. Under the stress of combat, you will do what you are in a habit of doing. If you are in the habit of taking a 100yd shot and you kill or maim at 50yds, you are going to have a difficult time justifying that use of force in court, and you will end up in court.

When I shoot with my carry weapon or service weapon, I shoot at ranges that I will use them at in practice. By doing that I don't form bad habits.

 

[DDGator]

Sometimes I think you guys take these things way to seriously. By taking the occasional 100 yard shot to see what my gun will do I am developing bad habits because I might then decide to shoot someone at 100 yards?

I don't think anyone is advising practicing failure drills at 100 yards. Its just something to do once in a while to fully understand what you and you gun are capable of. Hit a few shillouettes at 100 yards, and all of sudden 25 yards doesn't seem so hard.

In fact, the only time I shot my carry gun that far was at a Randy Cain training school.

 

[trickyasafox]

i agree with ddgator shooting should still be fun, not every range trip has to be for life or death training

 

[Owen]

yup yup,

and its bologna, not balogna

 

[Stainz]

After shooting my CZ .22 rifle and .45 Puma M1892 at shotgun clays last year on our range's 100yd range, I took aim with my hand held DA fired 696 and some new 240gr LSWC loads I had just made. I made a 5' radius circle around the 12" plate! I thought my marksmanship had gone south, so I tried my 2" .38 with some 158gr LRN - I hit four of six, the first two 'walking' the rounds in. I tried some Blazer 200gr GDJHP's in the 696 - two to walk it in, three hits followed - it wasn't me or the gun.

When I got home, I pulled several of my remaining new rounds and mic-ed the bullets... then, the rest of the box of Magnus bullets were measured... .4268-.4271", rather than .430-.431". My box-o-lead had been made to .44-40 specs, rather than .44 Russian/Special/Magnum specs. I returned it, and decided to carry a mic with me when I shop lead in the future. Sometimes it helps to plink away at 100yd with a CC weapon - even if you'll never have a PD situation need for such marksmanship, it is just fun to do. To be totally honest, when I no longer have 'fun' shooting, I'll sell the lot of my firearms. Of course, the insanity of this obsessive reloading bend I have been on would continue...

Stainz

 

[isp2605]

When I was doing some training there would usually be the 1 know-it-all who would be blowing off how 2" snubs are only 7 yd guns and then something on the order "I'd let someone with a 2" shoot at me all day at 100 yds." So back to 100 yds we'd go and I'd put dump 5 rds in the chest wiht my 49. Some would then claim it was trick shooting or couldn't do it again.
Many yrs ago on a different range we'd set a 5 gal white plastic bucket up at 440 yds (1/4 mile) and hit it with a 1911. That was a more often than not proposition but fact was we could regularly get hits on the bucket.
Shooting a long range handgun is the same principle as shooting long range rifle. Figure your hold over and dope for the wind.

 

[BluesBear]

Owen beat me to it. Just like the song says,

B-O-L-O-G-N-A

From the city, Bologna in Italy where they made a finely ground sausage of beef and pork scraps.

B-A-L-O-N-E-Y however is the polite term for a less tasty part of the Bull.

 

[357wheelgunner]

When I got rid of my glock 31 for a nice 3" model 65 S&W my wife, my friend Scott, and yours truly were taking turns hitting milk jugs at the 100yd mark, on single action of course. I could not believe that my wife was doing that, having never fired a revolver before. My new 4" model 66 is even easier at 100 yards. Easily "minute-of-milkjug"