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  1. redneck2

    redneck2 Member

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    Anybody else starting to "hoard", now that the shortage is over??

    Seems like a good time to stock up on primers, powder and bullets. If things get tough again, I will have little to no sympathy for guys that didn't learn this last go-round.
     
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  2. Rule3

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    I was going to start but there is nothing left as everyone is hoarding again.;)

    Finally got most of my back orders so I am good for a while.
     
  3. Walkalong

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    I started keeping a better stock after Klinton and that shortage. That shortage was small compared to this last one though.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again, many more people will be ready for the next one, guaranteed.
     
  4. WNTFW

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    I don't see it as hoarding.

    Simply the prices are better than they have been and the items are available.

    I may also have sympathy for somebody. Some reloaders were just getting started in the middle of the last hit. What goes around comes around. I have had people be generous to me. Sometime I have to generous and that includes being the first to be generous.
     
  5. ScratchnDent

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    I always buy reloading supplies in bulk. I haven't needed to purchase any since 2007, long before the shortages.
     
  6. Redneck with a 40

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    Hopefully the GOP retakes the house and maybe the Senate, then the fear won't be generated that caused the first rediculous round of panic buying.
     
  7. Muttt

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    Hopefully the manufacturers won't bend us all over again. When you could sell anything cause people were buying everything .... raising prices was just gouging the public. But, if I raised the price of a bottle of water during a disaster .... i'd be chastised.
     
  8. ranger335v

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    "Hopefully the manufacturers won't bend us all over again. "

    I don't think the manufacturers did that, they seem to have done their best within the limits of their current capabilites but couldn't keep up with the frantic buyers. Most dealers actually got shipments but shelves would often be swept clean by our frantic compatriots by sundown.

    Now that component production has finally exceeded the hoarders wallets and places to stack stuff. But, if we continue to pay gouger's prices simply because it's available now there will be no universal pressure for prices to return to anything like "normal."

    Even if we don't sweep the big government/total control party out in November the survivers won't have much taste for pushing their luck again anytime soon so shooters should be safe for a few more years.
     
  9. LiveLife

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    I use a lot of W231/HP38 as my designated reference and match powder. LGS seldom have it in stock and I have been forced to buy 8 lb containers from online sources.

    I have been group buying in recent years to distribute the HazMat/Shipping charges. With 2-3+ way split, H/S cost becomes negligible when added to the lower online prices (Powder Valley + H/S cost is much lower than LGS prices).

    If you don't know enough reloaders to do a group buy, post/announce your group buys at matches and on local club board/website and you will have a waiting list as many match shooters reload (you won't have to be a match shooter to join the group buys either, so inquire). You may also make some new friends who reload and order on a regular basis.

    Also, the group I buy with have helped out others when one does run low on components until the next group buy to be paid back. ;)
     
  10. EddieNFL

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    Ditto...and I've been criticized for doing so, but my shooting habits didn't changed over the past two years.
     
  11. ol' scratch

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    Yes to a point. I pick up stuff when I can and in large quanities. My component budget has been shot to pieces, however; due to the avalablity of AP 30-06 through the CMP. I have 'hoarded' about 1300 rounds of that in my basement. At 31 cents a round, it was cheaper than reloading.
     
  12. buck460XVR

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    I agree. My LGS even tho it had a hard time getting components, didn't jack the price up like some of the big box stores. Powder prices stayed the same and primers went up a $1 a thousand. Did some places take advantage of the situation? Of course they did, there's greed to be found in any calamity. Those are the places I will avoid from now on even tho I didn't yield to their strategy. No one was forced to buy their stuff at ridiculous prices, and most didn't need the stuff for protection or hunting...they just thought they better get it while they still could. The majority of them coulda waited for the price to come down, but chose not to. All this did was to add fuel to the fire.

    Me, I don't refer to it as hoarding, but merely replenishing my stockpile......:D
     
  13. Rule3

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    Not really directly related to reloading supplies but the same principle.
    Remember how hard it was to find a AK or AR just a few short months ago? Couldn't find one and if you did it was almost twice what it should be.

    Now the LGS have loads of them, new and trade ins and they are not selling like they did.
     
  14. the_right_reverend

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    Not hoarding really......... My 401's and retirement funds aint doing squat

    So i spend $300 to $500 a month on supplies that I will use when I retire
     
  15. ArchAngelCD

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    As soon as the prices come down more I'll replace what I used over the past two years. I'm still good for a while so there's no rush on my end.
     
  16. A and O

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    Me too ArchAngleCD. I only bought one item on impulse during the binge, 2500 sr primers at a nickle apiece. My supply on hand dropped to 29,000 and I freaked. Felt like an idiot while paying the ridiculous price I might add.
     
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    Locally CCI primers are "down to" $28.95/1000 which is fairly low compared to last year. I'm hoping they get down below $25/1000 so I can buy 20,000 or so.

    As for powder, who knows what's going on with those prices!
     
  18. lilquiz

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    I don't know if we are out of it yet. I started reloading because of the ammo shortage 380 is back, But good luck on cowboy plinkers for 45lc
     
  19. Ky Larry

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    Obama and crew got me once. They won't get me again.
     
  20. OldmanFCSA

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    Hoarding NO - Smart Buys YES

    I survived the latest shortages and the prior primer shortage on stocks I purchased years ago. Good storage methods will allow long term life of products.

    The only scary thing now is sticker shock trying to replace things I originally bought back in the 90's.

    Fed 210M for $13 / 1000
    IMR powder for $12 / lb
    Nosler BT 150's for $14 / 100

    Current prices are scary!
     
  21. Kevin Rohrer

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    Read the novel, ONE SECOND LATER by William R. Forstchen (2009) and you will do more than "hoard". It's the scariest and most plausible post-apocalyptic novel I ever read.
     
  22. Kevin Rohrer

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    20k primers would take awhile to use up. Aren't you concerned about degradation over time?
     
  23. jimmyraythomason

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    The best lesson I learned from all of this was that hoarding creates shortages and shortages leads to hoarding. Whenever a little stock became available it was quickly snatched up by folks who already had more than they could use.. Dog eat dog. Buy what you need and go on with life.
     
  24. R.Clem

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    First off, according to the feds you are only allowed to have so many primers (black powder and other stuff is also included) on hand. I know, nobody listened to those jerk offs, least of all me.
    I have and use primers that were manufactured in the 50's threw the 80's, that work just as well as those I purchased a couple years ago, now it is unknown whether or not the primer manufacturers have found a way of giving primers a shelf life or not, I suspect not, but don't know. Primers will keep very well if you use a little care in their storage, keep them in the original boxes, (that should go without saying) keep them dry and avoid extreme changes in temperature. I know of primers that I purchased from yard sales that were manufactured in the late 50's and 60's that went bang 30 or more years later.
    Having primers is important, they are what start the whole thing, but powder (unless it is black powder) is something else you need to consider. I have bought powder in 1# containers just like everyone else, but in the last 20 or so years that has only happened when I am working up a load , once I find what is to be used, it is all purchased in as large a container as possible. (Maybe more than 1 container, that depends on the size and how much storage I have at the time.)
    Bullets are easy, jacketed bullets are harder to store, you want to shoot them up all the time. Get a bullet mould for the guns you own and cast bullets for general shooting and save the jacketed for hunting and carrying. Stash away a couple thousand jacketed if that be your desire, but cast lead will work just as well if you take the time to learn the process.
    Black powder can be made, and according to the state I reside in, I am only allowed to have a very few pounds on hand, I can't say I pay much attention to that law or any of the others the great know it all government entities have concocted to hamper my rights to do what I want when it comes to guns and related. I have accumulated enough components to manufacture a couple hundred pounds of black powder, that doesn't seem to be regulated to much, but does require dry storage and the time to make it. For those who haven't tried it, black powder works great in straight wall and some bottle neck cases, it does require a little different technique, and is a mess to clean up after, but it is a lot of fun to shoot, and keeps you shooting when others are trying to find smokeless powder.

    Ray
     
  25. MrOldLude

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    If by Obama, you mean your fellow shooters and reloaders who panicked, bought out shelves, hoarded, and caused prices to spike because of extreme demand, then yes.
     
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