Anybody else starting to "hoard"

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If things get tough again, I will have little to no sympathy for guys that didn't learn this least go-round.
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I didn’t have sympathy for anyone even before the last one that came along with the AWB. I guess it’s like running out of gas, lots of people do it everyday but there is no reason for it other than not thinking in advance.
 
Everyone started reloading sometime and was not familiar with the idea that there could be such a "shortage" of a common product.

Will I stock more next time, yes. Will I get on the internet to brag about how much better I am than anyone who didn't buy 1000lbs of powder and 1,000,000 primers before the next "shortage", no.

Obama didn't lift a finger to cause the shortage; that was done by shooters. All those components are now sitting in people's closets. They will probably still be there during the next shortage.
 
Obama and crew got me once. They won't get me again..
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Obama has actually enhanced gun owner rights.
Besides that, lead and copper prices peaked before he ever took office.
The real blame rests on greedy manufacturers and panic buyers.
 
Now that prices are starting to drop, I'm thinking about building up my reserves of primers and powder whenever I find them on sale (for example PVI has Wolf SR primers on sale for $18.50/k last time I checked) but I never really drew-down my reserves that much during the shortage, so my levels are pretty high already.

Gotta keep "safe storage" in mind...

The real blame rests on greedy manufacturers and panic buyers.
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and The War using up most of the capacity.
 
I am now 100% retired and have to watch my pennies. I can no longer buy in bulk as I did before. I still have a good stock and would like to keep it up but finances are not as strong. Maybe I'll hit the lottery then watch out !!!!!!! I don't shoot factory so if I was a multi millionare I would still hand load.
 
I started this whole ordeal just before it got bad 2 yrs ago. I bought 5k CCI primers, and 2 of the 5 lb jugs of powder. I still have 1400 primers and most of a jug of powder. I just dont see how people can justify needing so much. I shoot as often as I please, usually once a week, and I cant see the need for a 10k order unless your running a GE .30 cal!
I only reload for 30-06, .38 spec, and 20g so I know I am not as advanced as some, but come on fellas.....:scrutiny::cool:
 
For many years, I have kept about two years supply of primers, powder and rifle bullets in stock. I got through this last shortage in good shape without paying the inflated prices. I think I will just continue to do the same. Its not hoarding, its being prepared. No panic buying here.
 
What? Start hoarding? We are already hoarded and its not over yet!

Although some individual venders have taken advntage of the hysteria , it looks like the manufacturers price increases are justified. Lead , zinc and copper priced have gone up dramatically and the price increases were delayed till the last reserves were exausted.

I have it on good faith ( posted responses from the CEOs ) that CCI/Federal has been running 4 shiifts 24/7 for the last 2 years. The higher volume will lower the per item overhead but they have a lot of support people on permanant overtime.

They are and have been building on and adding equipment that may be a risky venture because the ammo craze could fizzle out as fast as it came on. Figure that they have doubled the labor force and employee benifits are going up as well as the wages needed to get intelligant people to man the force.

Anytime there is a huge vaccum in labor needs the hourly wage goes up as well. Hopefully they are not just body hunting to fill empty slots with non quality minded personell.

No proof of anything , just my thoughts from observations and rumors.
 
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For many years, I have kept about two years supply of primers, powder and rifle bullets in stock. I got through this last shortage in good shape without paying the inflated prices. I think I will just continue to do the same. Its not hoarding, its being prepared. No panic buying here.
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During the height of the shortage I mentioned the same on another board. Someone was lamenting primers sold on Gunbroker for more than $100 per K. I said if I felt compelled to sell any of my stock I would get every dollar I could, but I would give them to a friend in need.

One fellow questioned my ethics and morals and said he would like to find me in the desert in need of water and watch me suffer. I think he missed the irony.
 
I almost forgot about this photo I took as a joke when the last hording started.

I agree with others in that it was caused by "us" not "them".


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I posted the start of this thread for a couple of reasons.

First, I guess I wanted guys here to think a little about where they're at, and where they need to be. I had over 10k of primers and about 30# of powder when all the shortage hit. When I posted pix of what I had, I got all kinds of grief.

I want the guys that gave me that grief to think about stocking up now. If you think that last go-round was bad, just wait until the next one. I'm going to try to always have 30-50# pounds of powder, 10k of bullets, and 20k of primers on hand. When they're gone, they're gone. Everybody here should realize that right now. May not be a chance to get any more tomorrow.

Also, I've got about 400 rounds of buckshot, and I'm going to set back maybe 10k or so of 22's. Trying to set back about two to three tons of lead, but price has gone thru the roof lately. Now, that may sound like a lot, but 1/2 a 5 gallon bucket of wheel weights is maybe 200-250#, so you're only talking ten to twelve full buckets.
 
Redneck2 I don't like carrying those 5 GAL buckets full of lead very far.:mad: I only fill them half full. Looks like more anyways.:neener: I think that the ability to be able to reload 2500 rounds of each CAL that you use is a good amount to have on hand. That said all the primers and propellant need to be stored in 3 separate areas in the house here. Trying to stay safe.:scrutiny: Also have bullet making equipment (cast type molds) for all my guns. This shortage I cut back on the range trips to conserve but still kept my reserves at the minimum. I have 5 GAL buckets of brass above my minimum but it was cheap/free so I have kept it. The truth is that if the switch was turned off for whatever reason firearms WITH the ammo to use them would make them priceless. Otherwise they are just an expensive crowbar.:banghead:I am an old Boy Scout, be prepared for worst case and be OK.
 
Now, that may sound like a lot, but 1/2 a 5 gallon bucket of wheel weights is maybe 200-250#, so you're only talking ten to twelve full buckets.
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Wheel weights aren't that heavy. Maybe 100# in a half-full bucket if it has lots of 18-wheeler weights and not *too* many steel weights and valve stems in it. Lead ingots are heavy. The last 2 not-quite-full buckets of WW's I broke down into ingots together yielded just over 100 pounds of clean lead and an awful lot of steel clips and crap.

The 100# of ingots about half fills a 4 gallon kitty litter bucket. You're right in general, but the details were too far off for me to ignore. ;)
 
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If by Obama, you mean your fellow shooters and reloaders who panicked, bought out shelves, hoarded, and caused prices to spike because of extreme demand, then yes.
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Amen to that, brother. :D
 
Guess I won't post any pix.
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ummm, me too. FWIW, I did help out many reloaders during the shortage with my normal match shooting level of stock of components until we were able to replenish our stocks. They got what I would normally shoot up for practice sessions. It was worth seeing their smile for me to not practice.

Good thing powder and primer have very looooooong shelf life. I got some Winchester SP/LP that's about 10 years old that I am just rotating out. :D
 
There are a lot of good reasons to keep a 2-3 year supply (maybe even longer) of components on hand in this hobby. My response during the shortages has been to shoot less but now that things are easing up I'm beginning to shoot more and replenish my supplies as well. Until the "big" one comes these shortages never last forever. A little foresight can go a long way.
 
I'm finally getting down to the end of my 30/35 year old powder--I reload pretty much for myself today ( kids mostly gone)
I have enuf rounds to let me shoot for 2 years & reload for 5 years.
About 18000 rounds of various calibers including shotshells.
Have fun........................
 
I didn’t have sympathy for anyone even before the last one that came along with the AWB. I guess it’s like running out of gas, lots of people do it everyday but there is no reason for it other than not thinking in advance.
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So after Hurricane Katrina you went out and bought up extra gasolene to avoid the shortage and resulting high prices,very forward thinking!
 
This one is headed the wrong way. Lets get back on track of who's learned to stock up after these shortages we experienced, and not sling mud at each other.
 
Well, it sure is getting tempting to buy.

I rode through this last shortage just fine--but that was mostly because my shooting was down--and I have about 14K of previously-loaded rounds to shoot up. I've resolved now to restock the primers to 20-25K; I've already brought up the favorite powders to levels that ought to last me 'til I die.

So now, it's just the waiting game on Winchester primers--but if TULAs show up on sale, and CCI and Federal seem to be in stock--can Winchester be too far behind?

Jim H.
 
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