Price gouging vs hoarding

[silicosys4]

Wow, why didn't I think of this. You are a genius! Thanks! You solved the problems of society in one, short paragraph.

Your welcome, it had a lot more potential to help your problem than your original post, which was nothing more than a thread dedicated entirely to whining about your lack of preparation and assigning blame to anyone other than yourself.
This is America. You could have skipped coffee for the last six months and been stocked with ammo. There were many other more affordable rifles whos ammo you can still find and afford right now. This is about your "toy", and how you didn't prioritize how you spent your money. This is entirely your prioritization of other things instead of ammo, a lack of preperation, and your perceived need to "keep up with the joneses" in ammo count and rifle that is causing you problems.
Take your "hold my hand and tell me I'm right" attitude elsewhere.

 

[larryh1108]

whining about your lack of preparation and assigning blame to anyone other than yourself.

Wow, another one who has trouble reading/comprehending. One-by-one they appear out of nowhere. You just added to society's woes instead of solving them.

 

[silicosys4]

Wow, another one who has trouble reading/comprehending. One-by-one they appear out of nowhere. You just added to society's woes instead of solving them.

You should just admit defeat and shut down your whiny thread, since you've gotten about zero support in your quest to blame those of us who aren't idiots.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I think some fail to realize that not everyone had the means to prepare for this. A lot of working folks are living paycheck to paycheck and all of their income goes to food and utilities.

This is still America. Unless one has a disability preventing you from doing so, it is totally within one's grasp to have higher income and a more comfortable lifestyle. I'm a high school drop out from a family with very moderate means, but I managed to succeed in my career field, and a little over two years ago I started my own business that is thriving. I'm not rich by any means, but through hard work and budgeting, I can afford to drop a grand or two on a moment's notice if a good deal happens along, and I also earned enough and budgeted enough that I was able to stock significant amounts of shooting supplies and new guns over the last decade.

I'm also the breadwinner in a household of 4, with a mortgage and all the other fun expenses of life. So no, you don't get to carry on about this applying to "the single guy with few expenses".

Very few are truly victims of circumstance; Most are victims of their own (lack of) motivation and fortitude.

Sorry, but you just won't garner any sympathy here if you're an able-bodied individual.

 

[larryh1108]

You should just admit defeat and shut down your whiny thread, since you've gotten about zero support in your quest to blame those of us who aren't idiots.

Ok, you need slow typing too... for comprehension.

1) People who were able to stock up ahead of time and/or reloaded now sit back and watch the shortage without being affected. = good job

2) People who have more ammo/components than they'll use in their lifetime and seize the opportunity of an upcoming panic buying spree and buy up even more ammo they don't need = hoarders

3) I believe hoarders are the main reason for the ammo shortage.

There, laid out for you to comprehend with a lot of big words in between.

If you are a hoarder and are offended I guess you'll get over it because you don't care about anybody else but yourself.

 

[silicosys4]

If you are a hoarder and are offended I guess you'll get over it because you don't care about anybody else but yourself.

Says the guy who insists we should all change OUR buying habits to make it more convenient and cheaper for HIM to purchase.

Yea, Ok buddy. You don't know beans about who's got what, and how many people have "more than they will ever shoot"...you are just making assumptions to support your twisted, childish hypothesis.
My hypothesis: it was 1 million unprepared idiots like you, ignorant of the fact that ammo can and does go through regular supply bottlenecks, who all went out in late December/early January when it was clear there was a lot of anti gun yammering, and waited to buy their first 1k of ammo until it became apparent that there was some anti-gun talk going on which might culminate in some sort of legislative action against ammo.....people that should have had that ammo already, but guess what... didn't, and....caused a "banic" instead.

 

[larryh1108]

I'm also the breadwinner in a household of 4, with a mortgage and all the other fun expenses of life. So no, you don't get to carry on about this applying to "the single guy with few expenses".

Very few are truly victims of circumstance; Most are victims of their own (lack of) motivation and fortitude.
Sorry, but you just won't garner any sympathy here if you're an able-bodied individual.

Wow, you have a lot to learn.

It's good to be full of yourself.
You da man!

Hopefully you have a ton of life insurance in case you should perish so your family can carry on in your absence.

Hopefully you have millions stashed away in case your business fails due to the economy, illness, employee theft, another, better widget, etc.

Hopefully you won't turn 50 and have your job outsourced, eliminated or given to someone half your age who also makes half as much.

Too bad life will hit you between your eyes some day. Being smug now won't help you later. Hopefully you or a loved one never has an illness that can drain your life's savings in less than a year for treatment and therapy. Being young and healthy is great!

It must be nice to have a perfect live.

Sigh, I did too, once, then life got in the way.

So excuse me if I didn't buy enough ammo because I like food better.
I'm glad you got both.
Not everybody is as good as you are.
Some just suck, right?

It's ok, your day will come too. Hopefully you'll handle it with as much class as you did boasting about how great you are. My lack of motivation. Yeah, that's it. You know me. You know us all. Leeches! We're leeches! We want what you have. Ammo!

Blech.

 

[larryh1108]

Says the guy who insists we should all change OUR buying habits to make it more convenient and cheaper for HIM to purchase.

Yea, Ok buddy.

You could have chose #1, but nope.
You could have chose #2, but nope.
You chose #3!
Ding, ding, ding! A shoe fits!

It must be Italian leather.

 

[silicosys4]

Bottom line, Larry, Its none of your Fu$%$ing business what I can or can't afford, can or can't use....but it is your Fu$#%ing business what YOU can or can't afford, and YOU couldn't afford what you wanted, when you wanted. Keep that chit to yourself, the general consensus is that we aren't interested.

Larry, your thread is childish attempt at self placation, and is very petty.

 

[jim243]

3) I believe hoarders are the main reason for the ammo shortage.

No it is not!!! It is people like you that panic at the last min and run out to buy all you can before the supply dries up. Those are who are to blame. If you had taken the time to purchase a little at a time when it was in stock, you would not be in the position you are now "whining" about it without ammo.

Your lack of foresight is what is to blame.

Jim

 

[45_auto]

I'm still trying to figure out what's so bad about accumulating things for future use?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoarder

Noun 1. hoarder - a person who accumulates things and hides them away for future use

My guess is that if larryh1108 had accumulated a little ammo for future use while it was cheap and available, he wouldn't be whining now. Maybe being a hoarder isn't a bad thing!

 

[larryh1108]

Jim,

As I stated above, I have enough ammo if I need it. I said I won't go shooting because I can't replace it and I like to have 1000 rounds of each caliber on hand. I have over 7k rounds on hand. If I shoot 300 rounds, I like to replace it to keep it at 1000 rounds per caliber. I am prepared. I do not wish to go out and buy 10k rounds because of any panic. If I could, I wouldn't. I purchased it a little at a time as money allowed since the last panic. If having 7k rounds on hand is being caught off guard then something is wrong here.

I am whining. Yep, fully admit it.

I am whining because there is no ammo for the everyday man who wants it for recreation when he has time off and can buy a few hundred rounds to have a good time enjoying his hobby. Hoarders have ruined it for them. That's my point. Not people who prepared and did not go out to buy everything in stock. Not reloaders who aren't panicking because they were prepared. Not the average shooter who has his inventory under control and does not need to buy a single round right now. Hoarders buy all they can find, everywhere they can go and store it up even though they don't need it and already have enough for 10 years or their lifetime. They ruin it for the average shooter. That's all I am saying. I am not crying foul at those who are prepared and did not run out to buy 10k rounds just because they can.

There is no reason to have a severe ammo shortage right now yet we do. Why are the responsible people so up in arms about this statement?

 

[dragon813gt]

This is still America. Unless one has a disability preventing you from doing so, it is totally within one's grasp to have higher income and a more comfortable lifestyle.

That is an extremely bold statement. While your life might be gravy it's not for a lot of people. You can't say a higher income is within everyone's grasp when you don't know their skillset or the job market where they live. Just like you can't tell someone to uproot and move to find a job. There are a lot of factors that determine ones ability to acquire work.

I don't agree with the OP in getting angry at others for having more then he does. But I hate people that tell you to pull up your bootstraps and go get more work so you can make more money. It's not that easy for a good portion of the country.


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[MachIVshooter]

Wow, you have a lot to learn.

It's good to be full of yourself.
You da man!

Hopefully you have a ton of life insurance in case you should perish so your family can carry on in your absence.

Hopefully you have millions stashed away in case your business fails due to the economy, illness, employee theft, another, better widget, etc.

Hopefully you won't turn 50 and have your job outsourced, eliminated or given to someone half your age who also makes half as much.

Too bad life will hit you between your eyes some day. Being smug now won't help you later. Hopefully you or a loved one never has an illness that can drain your life's savings in less than a year for treatment and therapy. Being young and healthy is great!

It must be nice to have a perfect live.

Sigh, I did too, once, then life got in the way.

So excuse me if I didn't buy enough ammo because I like food better.
I'm glad you got both.
Not everybody is as good as you are.
Some just suck, right?

It's ok, your day will come too. Hopefully you'll handle it with as much class as you did boasting about how great you are. My lack of motivation. Yeah, that's it. You know me. You know us all. Leeches! We're leeches! We want what you have. Ammo!

I've been laid off.

I've been laid up.

I've been evicted (I paid rent, landlord didn't pay mortgage)

I've been deathly ill.

I've dealt with the lunatic ex who wants you dead, tries to get you thrown in jail, etc.

I've been through bankruptcy.

I've been sued.

One of my daughters is special needs.

The list goes on and on.



Still think I've "had it easy"?

 

[larryh1108]

You'd think that with all you've been thru that you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

 

[larryh1108]

I don't agree with the OP in getting angry at others for having more then he does.

Gee, and I thought I was pizzy because hoarders have caused this ammo shortage. I'm happy for all those who have all they need and DIDN'T run out to buy more. They sit back, smile and watch the unprepared scramble for a box of ammo. They probably have their popcorn box while they watch. Kudos to those who have what they need. Now, hoarders are another story.

 

[EBK]

I think some fail to realize that not everyone had the means to prepare for this. A lot of working folks are living paycheck to paycheck and all of their income goes to food and utilities. Discretionary purchases such as ammo are on an inconsistent basis and it's usually small purchases. This is who the shortage hurts right now. Along with people just getting into the hobby.


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This is why I am upset. I dont blame anyone for buying it up, however the first line in this post is exactly what I have been going through. He just stated it better than I could.

I cant even go practice because after one range session I would be out of ammo and unable to replace it.

 

[Teachu2]

So what is someone who has 7k rounds on hand but won't shoot it because they can't replace it today? Unless you believe the sky is currently loosing altitude uncontrollably, that is.

Shoot half of it over the next few months, then re-evaluate conditions. Stockpile for a rainy day, use it when it rains. Otherwise, YOU are a HOARDER.

 

[MachIVshooter]

You'd think that with all you've been thru that you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

I can say what I do because I've been through what I have. We (almost) all fall on hard times. It's up to you to get up. Yeah, there were times I had to seriously pep talk myself, but ultimately I knew things wouldn't get better unless I made them better.

I have sympathy and empathy for people who get in a rough spot. I have sympathy and empathy for those who are rendered physically or mentally unable to get out of the rough spot. I DON'T have sympathy for people who choose to blame others and circumstance when they could better their own situation.

It's all about the choices we make. I also didn't say NO ONE is a victim of circumstance. I said FEW are.

The America dream will not be given to you. You can have it, but you have to work for it. Some people have to work very hard.

ETA:

That is an extremely bold statement. While your life might be gravy it's not for a lot of people. You can't say a higher income is within everyone's grasp when you don't know their skillset or the job market where they live. Just like you can't tell someone to uproot and move to find a job. There are a lot of factors that determine ones ability to acquire work.

I don't agree with the OP in getting angry at others for having more then he does. But I hate people that tell you to pull up your bootstraps and go get more work so you can make more money. It's not that easy for a good portion of the country.

My life has hardly been gravy. Above (post #89) I highlighted just a few of the tribulations I've dealt with.

I absolutely can say higher income is within reach of non-disabled persons without knowing their skillset or local job market; You can improve/expand your skill set, and you can change your location. Why can't we tell someone to uproot to find a job? People do it all the time.

I didn't have to move to better my situation, but I absolutely had to expand my skillset. I not only had to keep improving on the career skills and education I was already using, but to run a business, I had to learn management, advertising and bookkeeping/accounting. Think it was easy? Think I didn't struggle for awhile? Think I still don't spend 70-80+ hours a week working? Think I don't have stress?

Once again, if your able bodied and of sound mind, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from earning the American dream. Doesn't mean it'll be easy; It might mean long hours, it might mean sacrifices for a time, it might even mean cutting some family ties. But those are choices you get to make.

 

[larryh1108]

No, I am not a hoarder because I didn't go clean out Walmart because of the CT shootings. If I had $2000 to spend I wouldn't have bought any more than I usually do. Last week I found some 9mm and .22LR at a couple bucks over the previous cost. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm and 200 rounds of .22LR. The shelf was full. I left some for the other shooters. I chose not to hoard. When I find some .40S&W and some .45ACP I'll buy 100 of each and then go shooting. I won't buy every box on the shelf. Read the posts from '08 about the guys who went from Walmart to Walmart to buy every box they had in stock. Read about how they bragged they got there at 7:45 to clean off the shelves. They bragged about it. One post said how he and another guy got there together but the other guy was first. There was 6 boxes of 9mm. They talked while the lady went to get the key. They both wanted to buy 9mm ammo. When the lady came back, she asked the first guy how many. He said he'd take all of them. Guy #2 (poster) left with none because the guy cleaned them out. I'm sure you can find the posts back then. It was sickening. I would have taken 3 and left the other guy the other 3.

Monday I thought about shooting now and replacing later. My 1000 round per caliber is my comfort zone. The last panic in '08 I had 200 per caliber. I didn't like that feeling so now it is 1000. Am I hoarding? Nope. I didn't run out to buy every box on the shelves because the end of the world is coming. Hoarders do and don't care about the next guy.

 

[larryh1108]

I have sympathy and empathy for people who get in a rough spot.

But your rough spots are behind you. What about when you were right in the middle of them, before your hard work paid off. While you were being evicted. If you bought ammo while you were being evicted then something is wrong. Right now people are at the bottom and will climb out. Life is full of cycles. Some have said cycles go 7 years. I believe it from what I've seen. So, if someone is down today that doesn't mean he is a loser, that he doesn't care, that he's apathetic it just means it's time to climb out. Unfortunately, when it's time to climb out it's not time to stock up on ammo. You should know that since you've been there more than once. Don't be so quick to judge.

 

[Teachu2]

No, I am not a hoarder because I didn't go clean out Walmart because of the CT shootings. If I had $2000 to spend I wouldn't have bought any more than I usually do. Last week I found some 9mm and .22LR at a couple bucks over the previous cost. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm and 200 rounds of .22LR. The shelf was full. I left some for the other shooters. I chose not to hoard. When I find some .40S&W and some .45ACP I'll buy 100 of each and then go shooting. I won't buy every box on the shelf. Read the posts from '08 about the guys who went from Walmart to Walmart to buy every box they had in stock. Read about how they bragged they got there at 7:45 to clean off the shelves. They bragged about it. One post said how he and another guy got there together but the other guy was first. There was 6 boxes of 9mm. They talked while the lady went to get the key. They both wanted to buy 9mm ammo. When the lady came back, she asked the first guy how many. He said he'd take all of them. Guy #2 (poster) left with none because the guy cleaned them out. I'm sure you can find the posts back then. It was sickening. I would have taken 3 and left the other guy the other 3.

Monday I thought about shooting now and replacing later. My 1000 round per caliber is my comfort zone. The last panic in '08 I had 200 per caliber. I didn't like that feeling so now it is 1000. Am I hoarding? Nope. I didn't run out to buy every box on the shelves because the end of the world is coming. Hoarders do and don't care about the next guy.

This, I can agree with.

 

[Teachu2]

Before the NEXT election, stock some shootin' supplies - over and above the "comfort" level.

 

[EBK]

So what is someone who has 7k rounds on hand but won't shoot it because they can't replace it today? Unless you believe the sky is currently loosing altitude uncontrollably, that is.

Shoot half of it over the next few months, then re-evaluate conditions. Stockpile for a rainy day, use it when it rains. Otherwise, YOU are a HOARDER.

If you are talking to me: I am not sure how you figure I have 7k rounds of ammo.

Here is my stock
.40= 100
9mm= 100
.45= 125
.223/5.56= 160
7.62x39 =120
.22 =11
7.5x55 swiss=0
thats a total of 616 so you were only 6,400 off.

Thats roughly one range session per gun with no ammo on any local store shevles to buy. Even at a marked up price it is simply no where to be found.

 

[larryh1108]

Now that I have the time, I'm moving into reloading. I've decided to sell one of my handguns to buy a nice setup. Even then, I'll still leave some for the other guy. I'm guess I'm too fair for my own good. That's ok, I can live with that.