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Anybody had a problem when using mags at max capacity +1 ??

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by TGT, Jul 26, 2019.

  1. Cump

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    If a p365 can't do +1 (ime they can) it would make them less of a big deal compared to, for instance, an 8+1 shield or 10+1 g26, whether capacity or size.

    I think it is reasonable for p365 buyers to want +1. Slide-lock is never too far away.
     
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    You may want to obtain " Fighting Smarter A Practical Guide For Surviving Violent Confrontations By Tom Givens. Reference Chapter 13 Training Priorities pages 96-101 concerning distances and number of shots fired referencing FBI & DEA along with 65 students of Givens involved in gunfights
     
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    I've actually been in a couple of "emergency situations" so this isn't a hypothetical for me.

    I'm going to say again, based on training and experience, that you're better off carrying a reload than worrying about a "plus one".

    (it's also been my experience that you're better off staying out of convenience stores. The last time someone tried to take my gun off me was in a convenience store)

    I don't top off. Most of the time I carry a glock 26 with a 12-round factory magazine and a 15-round backup.

    If you want to top off that's of course your choice but in your current circumstances it sounds like it's causing more problems than it solves.

    ETA. I'm going to say this again and if it ticks people off I'm sorry but if the issue is going to be decided by one round you need a higher-capacity weapon
     
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  4. TGT

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    Well, I had the chance to go back to the range today and shoot 5 different kinds of ammo including HST+P ammo and some near max hand loads for testing the magazine under stout recoil. I fired 67 rounds total and purposely topped off the flat base magazine at least 10 times. I would load it up 10+1 rounds, and then after the 2nd or 3rd shot I would take the magazine out of the gun and top the gun off again back to 10+1. A couple of times I fired 6 or 7 rounds and topped it off back up to 10+1, and a couple of times I fired off all 11 rounds without interruption. There was NOT a single instance of the magazine releasing from the gun.

    Being I have spent many years having carried flat base magazines in my guns with no grip for my pinkie finger, (as I never felt the need for having a pinkie finger extension) I will simply now continue that trend and only carry this gun with flat base mags.
     
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    I believe some guns, my Springfield XDs being one of them, don't like +1, and have read recommendations against loading that way. I've tried it enough in practice that I just don't do it with either my XDs in .45 or 9mm.
     
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    As detailed in my post #29, I did intensive shooting to test the flat base mags, and I got 100% reliability. Having experienced problems with pinkie finger mags, the simple solution that provides full 10+1 capacity with 100% reliability is for me to carry flat base magazine. This is no different style carry for me then I had already been doing for many years in the +1 capacity with my Kahr MK9, G27 & G33.

    Case Closed.
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  7. Fine Figure of a Man

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    I have never had that problem with either the flat of extended base mag for my 365. It seems obvious that the problem is with that one mag. The extension may or may not have anything to do with it.
    I actually prefer the flat base mag. My little finger just catches the tip of the extended base, not comfortable or helpful in griping the gun.
     
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    Take a deep breath
     
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    In regard to a round loaded into the chamber, for me it is NOT the one extra round, it is the fact I don't need two hands to shoot the weapon if I have a round chambered. And from previous experience, you don't always have that second hand to rack the slide to load a round. If I had not had a round chambered many years ago, I would not be writing this from Idaho in my recliner. I would be dead! Not due to missing a hand, but from a sudden unexpected broken left arm.

    As for Berettas and load a mag with a round chambered. Never had a problem with my PX4s or when I was working my Sigs or H&Ks....all DA/SA.
     
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    I've never had any issues going to full +1 capacity in my autoloaders. I don't own any Sigs, though.
     
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    I agree. I usually just grab a loaded mag, insert, rack the slide, and put in the holster. I see no need for +1.
    If the 365 cannot take +1 dont force it, you can cause damage
     
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    I'm glad it passed with the flat bases. And I agree that pinky extensions can be the culprit with otherwise good mags. With two ruger pistols I have had, lcp and lc9s, the pinky grips had slightly different internal geometry than the flat bases, effecting follower height in the mags. I had reliability issues with those bases, but not the flat bases.

     
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    I totally agree. And I have never done the +1. Maybe I am lucky, but all my pistols run great. I will never try and force more compression down on a spring. I think manufacturers are always trying to use the +1 for marketing to make the public perceive they are getting more rounds in a pistol. And some high quality magazines are strong. Do what you want and each to his own. But it sure as heck works for me and proof is in the pudding as they say.
    By the way the Beretta magazines at least on the Pico and the Nano are some of the best quality I have seen. And they are strong. Like all my magazines, I let them take a "Set" before use.

    And as far as Pinky extensions, I owned 4 Ruger LCP's and two LC9's and use pinky extensions on all my other guns. Never a problem at all. Maybe the brand of extension or early models, I do not know. But for myself, no problems.
     
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    It was actually a lcp2 and late lc9s. With pinky extension, the follower would rest visibly and measurably lower. In both cases, ruger sent me additional mags, with the flat bases. Issue was transferable to new mags with the pinky extensions. Mags all worked with flat bases. The negative effect was an occasional failure to lock back, which never occurred with the flat bases.

    As I said above, i have had other pinky grips that made it more likely for me to strip the mag on recoil, hitting the mag release and exerting the bit of downward force on the pinky grip. And i suppose with the rugers downward force on the pinky grip could have combined with the lower follower height to prevent lockback. Thus maybe wouldn't appear with another shooter, but the measurable difference, and the contrast with the flat base plates, convinced me it was partially causal.
     
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    Actually the gun I have now is the LC9S with Pinky and still have a LCP with one. Sorry you had problems. And while I do not shoot these guns as often now as I have moved on to others, I will say the LCP Gen 1 and Gen 2 never had reliability issues other than when I first started shooting them and limp wristed the gun. The LC9 and LC9S run like tops as far as reliability. Maybe it is dependent on the shooter and grip. I never used the extensions to grip the gun in the first place. Personally feel that is a incorrect way to use them. I have most of my pressure on the the two middle fingers and use the pinky more of a balance. I also feel the pinky extensions were made for drawing fast more than to control the gun. JMO.
     
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    I considered it a negligible issue, once I confirmed it was just with the pinky exts. I also prefer the flat bases.
     
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