Anybody own Heckler and Koch...

[redarmy67]

P2000 compact or the USP Compact? I could see myself buying the 9mm or the .45 but I am not sure the P2000 comes in a .45 does it? Any thoughts on the main differences on these two guns?

 

[Comedian]

First off, what do you want to know about them? I carry a USP compact (.40 cal) and in my opinion it does the job as well if not better then most of the competition. However, I stole mine at $475 with three mags, so I can't say I would have chosen it at full price. Also consider that full capacity mags (at least the 12 round ones for the .40 cal) are horrendously expensive. I've only handled a p2000 (I don't remember if it was an sk or not) and I remember it feeling like a slightly smaller, dehorned version of the USP compact. More then that I can't say, other then that the trigger was no better then the one on my USPc.

 

[Hk Dan]

I think the P2000 in .45 is the HK45.

I shoot with a guy who uses it--it's nice and he does fine in IDPA/USPSA--which is a serious test. I SAW him shoot 2200 rounds in a class without a hiccup. (I did the same with a G17).

I'm ambivilent, preferringthe older USP platform, but I can see that the P2000 platform has it's place.

 

[Shipwreck]

I have owned a fullsize USP in 9mm, a USP compact in 9mm, an HK45 and an HK45c, along with a USPc in 45. I tend to get bored with guns or want something else, so I have sold those at various times over the past few years.

Currently I have a 9mm P2000 I got 2-3 weeks ago. I shoot it much better than I ever did the USPc in 9mm. I got one with night sights. It really is a sweet gun. It's my summer time carry gun, as I'm tired of rusting my grip screws on my Beretta 92FS in the summer time.

No, the P2000 only comes in 40 and 9mm, as does the P2000sk (a smaller version of the P2000).

 

[NOLAEMT]

I carry a USPc.45 and it is great... not really compact in my opinion (perhaps zeh Germans have very large hands?) but it always goes bang and its accurate.

 

[IMTHDUKE]

I plead guilty to owning HK....

Want a classic steel shootin machine.... this is it...
almost as compact as the P2000sk


Or the SK with two barrels and a standard P2000 mag...give you 13 rds of 357/40 cal

 

[redarmy67]

Awesome stuff! What is the Patented Lock Out safety on the P2000?

 

[usp9]

P2000 compact or the USP Compact... Any thoughts on the main differences on these two guns?

The P2000 is pretty much the next generation of the excellent USP series and have many similarities.

The P2000 offers adjustable grip panels.

The USP series as a whole offers many trigger vatiants. The P2000 offers three, DA/SA and two LEM triggers.

Decocker location is different.

USP comes in .45acp, the P2000 doesn't...9mm, .40 and .357sig only.

The newest models are the P30 and the HK45. These also come in several variants, triggers and of course, calibers.

There are lots of great guns but I rank the HKs as the best guns available. Go here for info;
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/civilian_home.asp

 

[Phydeaux642]

Anybody own Heckler and Koch...

No, because I suck and they hate me.

 

[benderx4]

Can't go wrong with an HK - other than a few Berettas and Colts, it's all I own. You won't go wrong with either the P2000, USP series, and/or the new HK45. Good luck!

 

[redarmy67]

great info, looks like the P2000 9 is about the same size as my CZ P-01. I am somewhat surprised that the USP compact .45 auto is smaller than my CZ. It's a tad thinner and basically the same on every other feature. I am going to have to go find one of these guns to hold and look at up close.

 

[NOLAEMT]

great info, looks like the P2000 9 is about the same size as my CZ P-01. I am somewhat surprised that the USP compact .45 auto is smaller than my CZ. It's a tad thinner and basically the same on every other feature. I am going to have to go find one of these guns to hold and look at up close.

I would be careful about that if I were you.

I did that and bought my USPc.45 on the spot. turns out it was by far the worst thing I've ever done.

now every time I look at anything else I can't help but think " well, its nice, but is no HK"

 

[nwilliams]

I have a P2000SK in .40 and I really like it. It's the perfect ccw size, accurate and reliable. My only complaint is that I really want a .357Sig barrel and I can't find one anywhere

 

[badbadtz560]

IMO hk45c would be the .45 version of what you're lookin for rather than hk45. My reasoning is that uspc, p2000, and hk45c are more similar in size than hk45 or p30.

They're pretty different though. I'd say figure out what trigger or safety config you want first then decide on the grip you like or vice versa.

if you like the manual safety, I'd say uspc in 9mm or .45 or hk45c would be your only choices. If you want the DAO... or HK's special LEM trigger, then you're lookin at p2000 unless you would convert to LEM w/ a kit.

I believe it's easier to find LEM parts for USPc. I'm not sure about availability of LEM for hk45c but I haven't seen someone put a safety on the p2000 yet (tho I'm sure it could be done)

I own a p2000sk(lem) in 9mm, p2000 in .40 (lem) and hk45c. I traded off my uspc stainless .40 for the p2000(lem) b/c the p2000sk is my carry and I wanted all my toys to be as similar as possible.

HK45c does have a bigger grip than the other two (the grip from front to back is longer)

 

[leadcounsel]

I have the fullsize USP .45. In general I think they are overpriced and much too large of a frame for what you get. However I got mine for a great used price. Mine is very accurate and reliable. Mags are pricey and rare, and HK seems to have a bad rep toward civilian owners on the internet.

 

[CPshooter]

I have the fullsize USP .45. In general I think they are overpriced and much too large of a frame for what you get. However I got mine for a great used price. Mine is very accurate and reliable. Mags are pricey and rare, and HK seems to have a bad rep toward civilian owners on the internet.

While I respect your opinion, it sounds like the grip is simply too large for your hand. The full-size USP.45 is one of the most proven combat handguns out there. If it fit your hand correctly, would you still think it's overpriced? If so, what is it that makes you feel that it's overpriced? I'm just curious because I personally love the USP.45 and feel it's worth every penny. Not flaming by any means, just curious is all.

 

[redarmy67]

Spending some time on the HK USA website. I pretty much think the USP .45 compact will be the one I will end up with. SA/DA with decocker. Now all I have to do is come up with about 900 or find someone who is selling theirs at an incredible deal. no prob.

 

[benderx4]

I see them all the time slightly used for $600 - $650. Watch the classifieds at the HKPro forum website and here as well. These things are built like tanks so they will last forever. Really no reason to cough up the bucks for a new one.

 

[redarmy67]

how many rounds thru would you consider slightly used? I would much rather go that route than cough up the 900.

 

[Hk Dan]

I beg your pardon--HKs customer service has been outstanding for me.On the bright side, you seldom need it, but when you do, they do their part. May I humbly suggest that we not post internet rumors and stick to what people have actually experienced?

Dan

 

[leadcounsel]

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I have the fullsize USP .45. In general I think they are overpriced and much too large of a frame for what you get. However I got mine for a great used price. Mine is very accurate and reliable. Mags are pricey and rare, and HK seems to have a bad rep toward civilian owners on the internet.
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While I respect your opinion, it sounds like the grip is simply too large for your hand. The full-size USP.45 is one of the most proven combat handguns out there. If it fit your hand correctly, would you still think it's overpriced? If so, what is it that makes you feel that it's overpriced? I'm just curious because I personally love the USP.45 and feel it's worth every penny. Not flaming by any means, just curious is all.

CPShooter - I can palm a basketball and have rather large hands. The grip is perfectly comfortable; but the point is that it is larger than what it needs to be compared to the competition it is noticably thicker (speaking of the USP .45). It's not a deal breaker; in fact if it were competitively priced I would likely have no gripes. But it's also 50% more than the competition (Glock/SW/Sig/ etc).

 

[benderx4]

how many rounds thru would you consider slightly used? I would much rather go that route than cough up the 900.

Personally, I would consider any HK with less than 1000 rounds through it slightly used. In fact, in my mind, that original owner has done you the favor of spending the money on those initial rounds to "break in" the gun. (Although it's debatable as to whether or not an HK even has a "break in" period.)

Here's a current example of a USP45c for sale:

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?123811-WTS-HK-P30S-USPc-45-SS-USP-45-(IN)

This one comes with the highy desireable stainless steel slide (to many), it has less than 250 total rounds, AND it comes with a nice Sherpa holster - all for $750. And that's just an asking price, most guys will come down another $50 - $100 depending on how fast they want to sell it. The HKPRo forum also has a nice area to check on someone's feedback before engaging in a transaction.

Here's another one:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404626

Although, this one is a much older gun, KK date code, so it's tough to know how much use it's received. Also, it only comes with one mag and no box or paperwork. But it's been there awhile so you might be able to grab it for $500. That would be my offer.

In any case, good luck and happy shooting!

 

[ironduke]

I own and carry a USP compact 45. It was expensive but I don't feel a need to carry any other pistol.

 

[zx12rider]

Have owned a few

I currently own a USP 40 Fullsize as a nightstand gun. In the past I have had the .357 sig compact and 9mm compact. So you can tell I like them, my only issue with the USP is the thickness. Back when I worked at a local gun store I carried the USP 9mm Compact and would hit it on the doorway every times walking to the back office. Granted I am 6'5" 225lbs and pretty wide. I have never had any of them jam or miss what I was aiming at. Great guns otherwise

 

[alienbogey]

My personal experience with HK Customer Service was great - a live person on the telephone and a perfect repair with a quick turnaround at a reasonable price.

(The pistol was out of warranty and the breakage was my fault)