Anyone 700x ?

[Potatohead]

Potatohead wrote:


Where? I use Hodgdon's data from their site. I never have seen this there. If another does what you describe I would be dubious of all of their data and not use it.

I swear I'd thought I'd seen it somewhere. I will find it over the next day or two and post it when I get a chance. You are right about the hodgdon site, I checked it before I posted that.

 

[sauer1911]

You do realize that a "pound" of 700-X only contains 14 ounces these days?

Back in the IMR powders metal can days, a tin of 700-X on contained 1/2 pound.

700-X can still be economical.

I bought an 8# "keg" of IMR 700X and I got 8# of IMR 700X. I have gone thru about 2 lbs of it, and have been shooting alot in the past year. 9mm, and .45acp. Lets see, 8 lbs x 7000 grains. Divide that by oh lets say 6grains per shot, (thats being generous)

Thats over 9000 rounds of fun!

be safe.

 

[Walkalong]

I have part of a 5 Lb metal can of it left. $50 even.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I'm not doubting that they are the same but I think Ive seen them listed with different data. Like if your looking at 9mm recipes it will say 4.2-4.8 gr of HP38 but then 4.4-5.0 gr of w231. (example numbers)

I think I recall someone told me this was a recent change and older data may have them listed as different powders? If so, when was the changeover?

I can not for the life of me understand why some reloaders refuse to believe the fact both powders are identical even though the powder distributor (Hodgdon) and the powder manufacturer (St. Marks) are both telling you so.

FACT
W231 = HP-38
W296 = H110
W540 = HS-6
W571 = HS-7 (both discontinued)
W760 = H414
WAP = Silhouette

Believe what you want but I will tell you one thing, this is the last time I will make this post because it's just too much now. "You can't fix some things" so I will now stop trying... (unbelievable!)

 

[Tony k]

You do realize that a "pound" of 700-X only contains 14 ounces these days?

Back in the IMR powders metal can days, a tin of 700-X on contained 1/2 pound.

700-X can still be economical.

What the heck? I just checked and every one of my powders is 16oz EXCEPT 700x. Why is that?

 

[FROGO207]

Because of the bulk a pound of 700-X propellant would not FIT in the standard size size container. Trail Boss is the same way, pound container contains less. FWIW I also bought 3 of the 5 LB metal kegs years ago and love the stuff for 45 ACP.

 

[cfullgraf]

What the heck? I just checked and every one of my powders is 16oz EXCEPT 700x. Why is that?

It used to be in the 1/2 pound of 700-X per tin days, the price per pound of 700-X was comparable to the price per pound of any other powder.

I forget what I paid before the panic for a 14 ounce container of 700-X but I paid a small premium for it a few weeks ago as 700-X is almost non-existent in my area. Spread out over 1200 rounds, the premium was negligible.

It was back in the late 1980s when I discovered a "pound" of 700-X was not a pound of powder. I just happened to look closely at a tin one day. Surprise, Surprise.

 

[Potatohead]

I can not for the life of me understand why some reloaders refuse to believe the fact both powders are identical even though the powder distributor (Hodgdon) and the powder manufacturer (St. Marks) are both telling you so.

FACT
W231 = HP-38
W296 = H110
W540 = HS-6
W571 = HS-7 (both discontinued)
W760 = H414
WAP = Silhouette

Believe what you want but I will tell you one thing, this is the last time I will make this post because it's just too much now. "You can't fix some things" so I will now stop trying... (unbelievable!)

If you'll read my post I said I wasn't doubting that they were the same....I guess looking for an opportunity to get a shot in was more important to you. Have a fine day sir.

 

[Potatohead]

Potatohead wrote:


Where? I use Hodgdon's data from their site. I never have seen this there. If another does what you describe I would be dubious of all of their data and not use it.

Steves Pages for one, and I've seen more. I'm not trying to claim his page as some kind of official data supplier though. Nor am I trying to say that hp38 and w231 are the same or different. Just saying that Ive seen different data and have wondered why.

Past couple posts of mine are off topic. Apologies OP and I will remove myself from your thread now.

http://stevespages.com/355p_4_115.html

 

[sexybeast]

Potatohead;
I've stopped using load data from anyone else than the powder manufacturers. I've decided to stop using Alliant powders because of this. The info on the website is just frustrating. They don't list much and it seems imcomplete.
I like Hogdon, I like their website, and their info is consistent. They also list loading for other powders too. Most Winchester powders and many IMR powders.
Five months ago I was not picky and I tried a couple powders. Some I loved {universal} and some I hate {Red Dot}

If you'll read my post I said I wasn't doubting that they were the same....I guess looking for an opportunity to get a shot in was more important. Have a fine day sir.

I understood your point with other sources of load data being suspect.

 

[sexybeast]

Past couple posts of mine are off topic. Apologies OP and I will remove myself from your thread now.

Why remove yourself? You made some good points and asked some very good questions.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

If you'll read my post I said I wasn't doubting that they were the same....I guess looking for an opportunity to get a shot in was more important to you. Have a fine day sir.

Potatohead,
If you really think I was only looking for a way to "get a shot in" you haven't read many of my posts.

Why is it we can't disagree these days without someone getting their feeling all hurt? Many would call that a discussion and not be so sensitive.

 

[sexybeast]

Potatohead,
If you really think I was only looking for a way to "get a shot in" you haven't read many of my posts.

Why is it we can't disagree these days without someone getting their feeling all hurt? Many would call that a discussion and not be so sensitive.
Today 10:50 AM

Because there are many "Senior" member with thousands of posts on several forums that "talk down" to others.