Anyone carry an ASP Baton?

[vis-à-vis]

I recently got my ASP Baton back from storage. I got it a few years ago because I needed it for auxiliary police work. I remember much of the hands on training I received with it. It has been a few years though, and I cannot remember too many examples they used where the baton was necessary.

During my KY CCDW I learned the following statute:

"Deadly Weapon" means any of the following:
(a) A weapon of mass destruction;
(b)Any weapon from which a shot, readily capable of producing death or other serious physical injury, may be discharged;
(c)Any knife other than an ordinary pocket knife or hunting knife
(d) Billy, nightsick, or club;
(e)Nunchaku karate sticks
(f)Blackjack or slapjack
(g) Shuriken or death star; or
(h)Artificial knuckles made from metal, plastic, or other similar hard material

I'm gathering that in order to carry this, I need the CCDW permit. Now, my question is, if I were to use the baton, is this the same as drawing say my Glock?

During the course, we were taught the baton is both a non-lethal and lethal weapon. Depending on where you were at on the use of force continuum (I have a thread here) you may strike green, yellow or red zones. Here is a helpful chart similar to what I was taught:

One of the ideas they taught us was this: You always remain one level of force higher than your opponent. If he has a fist you have OC. If he has a bat you have a gun, etc.

Can anyone point me to sources that discuss the use of batons in self-defense by a private citizen and resulting legal ramifications?

Thanks.

 

[ctdonath]

FWIW...
Such batons are apparently unregulated in GA. While guns are generally very legal here, there are just enough ill- or stupidly-defined restrictions ("public gatherings", "restaurants serving alcohol", etc.) that make continuous legal carry difficult. Between those and having a slightly asthmatic dog (pepper spray could do him in), I often carry an ASP baton. I do so after several years of studying Kali.

Relevance: with training, a baton gives you the full spectrum of options with a single weapon, from simple "I'm armed" counter-threat and "back off" poking, to pain compliance, to breaking stuff, to lethal impacts. Legal ramifications depend on how such batons are addressed in your local law; they're totally legal here in GA, and totally forbidden in NY.

ASP provides courses. The paperwork that comes with the baton INSISTS you take their course. Contact them for your questions.

 

[Green Lantern]

Nope. Per NC law, I can carry as many handguns as I can conceal on my person, but will go to jail if I carry even one baton.

 

[xd9fan]

Nope. Per NC law, I can carry as many handguns as I can conceal on my person, but will go to jail if I carry even one baton.

the stupidity of that law would.....for some reason would make me carry one.
ok its my rebellious side against stupidity that would make me carry one.

 

[Rumble]

Green Lantern, apparently here in PA I'm in the same boat--carrying a gun (or many guns, which might necessitate a gun rack) is fine, but carrying a baton or a knife, well that is just not acceptable.

Er, no. I'm wrong--in PA, folding knives appear to be okay (just no automatic knives). It's Delaware that makes it a weapons violation, last I checked, to have a knife exceeding 3 inches in length on your person.

 

[gezzer]

Why? I carry a gun for that purpose.

 

[BADUNAME13]

Carry, no. Have in car easily acessable:
Yes

 

[vis-à-vis]

Carry, no. Have in car easily acessable:
Yes

Do you find it easy to extend inside the car?

Under what circumstances would you personally employ the ASP?

 

[BADUNAME13]

I have it next to my seat... just like my FOX spray, it is a less than lethal tool that can help me in court...

My main thought is if acosted at a gas station by a bum.
-You know the type: "What ya gonna do SHOOT ME!"
But when it's an @$$ whoopin... they don't have the same additude.*

*Just observation... not use...


I would not try to extend it in the car... that's what the gas pedal is for.

 

[gunsmith]

Why? I carry a gun for that purpose.

it is a less then lethal option, if you can stop the threat with a baton it might be better then shooting.

In CA unless your a licensed security officer or a cop it is a felony.

I'm not sure about NV.