Anyone else tired of caliber debates?

[Zeke Menuar]

I have long advocated an sticky unmoderated rant section where folks can waste there time arguing the finer points of 9mm vs 40 vs 45, DA vs SA, Ginger vs MaryAnn etc.

I'd rather be out shooting something

ZM

 

[Majic]

Well you are your own worst enemy as just bringing up the subject sparks another debate.

 

[mmike87]

You could carry a pellet gun and you'd still be leaps and bounds ahead of the sheeple!

Carry what you want - and practice with what you carry. Any gun is better than no gun, and being proficient is much more important than caliber choice.

Most criminals are cowards looking for an easy victim - even a .22 makes you a real pain in the arse to a would be criminal.

"My name is Mike and I carry a 9mm."

There, I said it. I feel better already.

 

[stevelyn]

Modern bullet manufacturing technology and design has pretty much ended the debate and placed most defensive handgun calibers on an equal footing.

So there! Lets debate something worthwhile like...........................




















Revolvers vs. semi-autos.

 

[PATH]

Ah! Let people have their opinions. Some of it makes for fun reading. I especially like the Glock discussions. Variety is the spice of life and the more opinions heard the more interesting it is!

 

[jlwatts3]

Here, Here. Extremely tired of caliber debate threads.

 

[nitesite]

Never paid too much mind to caliber debates. Guns which leave the house with me run from a .38-Special snubbie to a Highway Patrolman to a hi-cap 9mm to 5" 1911-A1. Don't feel uncomfortable with a single one of 'em!

Long as I can deliver them properly, any of my rounds are capable.

 

[shu]

the caliber question is an important issue. a clear and definative answer to this question would be of immense value to anyone concerned with their personal safety.

at the heart of the debate, as was pointed out, is the 'light and fast' vs 'slow and heavy' question. from speer #13, maximum velocities in each case:

9mm, 115gr, 1258fps: energy 182kk
45acp, 230gr, 916fps: energy 193kk

the mighty 45acp is the clear winner, by 6%. of course the real self defense load would not be the 230gr ball (used above) but gold dot hollow points, in which case:

45acp 230gr gdhp, 893fps: energy 183kk

so the mighty 45acp is still the clear winner, but by 0.5%. (until the next guy posts with data gathered using a slightly longer 9mm barrel or slightly shorter 45acp barrel.)

HOWEVER discussion (and hopefully FINAL resolution of this important question should be contained within the bottom-feeder (autoloader) forum. this would be a convenience to revolver shooters who seem inexplicably but blissfully oblivious to the entire debate.

38spl, 110gr, 1134fps: energy 141kk
38spl, 158gr, 967fps: energy 148kk
357mag, 110gr, 1693 fps: energy 315kk
357mag, 158gr, 1265 fps: energy 253kk

just mho.

 

[Boats]

All service calibers are pretty much equal, all things considered.

Then again, some are more equal than others.



Speer Gold Dot 158gr. 357 Magnum 1235 MV 535 ME

 

[Mannlicher]

yes, tired of caliber debates, over penetration debates, hand load vs factory loads for defense debates, revolver vs semi auto debates, and a lot of other debates that just seem to live on and on and on and.................

 

[lee n. field]

have long advocated an sticky unmoderated rant section

Yup. It could be called "Revolver vs. Auto Shootout", in honor of the article that gets run about once every 4 years in any given gunrag.

The free market's had something like 100 years to work through this "9 vs. 45" thing, and seems to have come to the conclusion that either works.

 

[pezo]

I for one still believe a well placed .357 is still better than a well placed .9 mm. both defense loaded assuming.

 

[38SnubFan]

Add me to the list of those who have gotten sick and tired of the "caliber" debate.

Two quote two different persons I have read on The High Road:

"A .22 LR to the head will do more damage than a .45 ACP to the hand."

"If you shoot them in the freaking head, they'll stop!"

Both excellent points. I carry an EAA Windicator .38 spl. snubbie, and practice with it regularly. I have no doubts that if I needed it to stop a [potentially] lethal attack that it (and I) would work.

It's more about the person and their ability to shoot reliably and accurately under stress, than it does about the gun, its size, and how big a chunk of lead it ejects.

All that said, however, I'm not really a fan of 9mm either, but my reasons are personal.

-38SnubFan

 

[Old Dog]

I heard that some archeologists recently uncovered a cave in France with some interesting prehistoric art on the walls (apparently dating back a couple hundred thousand years) ...

Experts on "cave drawings" believe that the depiction of the two cave men (one holding a small rock in one hand, while sitting next to a pile of 15 rocks, the other holding a substantially larger rock and kneeling next to a pile of 7 rocks) is actually a chronicle of an apparently long-running argument among Stone Age males.

Evidently, there was one faction of prehistoric men that believed, when going after small game, it was better to throw smaller stones (which were not only easier to throw accurately, but traveled farther and faster) while the other faction believed that one large rock upside the head of a game animal was the way to go, since it put the game down faster and for good ...

 

[bdhawk]

once upon a time (either here or glock talk) i got my butt drug over the coals for saying the 9MM was marginal unless it was +P+. mercy, you woulda thought i said their mother wore army shoes or something. then they wanted proof....then i really screwed up. i quoted marshal and sanow. i knew their research was/is less than perfect, but i still feel it is a good point of reference. anyway, i digress.......i agree too much is made of the caliber wars. it still can be kinda fun debating.

 

[Dienekes]

Much ado about nothing. Do some research on what works on the street, make a choice, and go on with life. There are a few new wrinkles (decent JHPs) since Elmer Keith wrote "Sixguns" but the earth still revolves in the same direction as it always did.

So do S&Ws.

 

[Warren]

Of course you could ask "What caliber of Wolf ammo should I shoot?"

But that would probably be non-controversal.

 

[unspellable]

caliber?

If a big caliber and heavy bullet are the answer to everything, why aren't all those 45 shooters shooting the 455 Webley instead? Not because Wally World doesn't stock the ammo. If everybody was shooting it they would.

 

[Redhawk1]

I thought that is why we come here.

 

[halvey]

I like 'em. It gives mall ninjas a place in society

 

[Missouri Mule]

Sure am but I still think 9mm is for pansies. Seriously I concur.

Charby



Yeah well I am a part time pansy then. Because when I'm felling a little wimpy I carry my PM9. And when I'm feeling manly I carry my 1911 with it's .45 acp payload.

Tired of calibers wars.....never!
I only get tired of the snobs sometimes associated with them.

 

[Ivy Mike]

As far as I'm concerned, the caliber debates are over...and have been for quite some time.

The requirements are that the round be put in the right place. This has NOTHING to do with the bullet!!!

Next, your round must be able to hit a vital structure. Any caliber from .380 and up will do this.

Finally, you must be able to put enough rounds into the target to stop them.

So, from these requirements, we can see that even a Hi-Point 9mm with a dbl stack mag is better than a 1911.
More is better than Bigger. <---Troof

Seriously, the gun that allows you to put the most holes into a person is the best. Some can do it with a Makarov and others prefer a 1911. I prefer to have the option to keep firing without a reload. Thats why single stacks aren't my preferred carry, although when clothing requires something other than my main carry (an FN Forty-Nine in .40) I grab my single stack .380 auto Makarov. It works everytime and I am accurate with it.

 

[wanderinwalker]

What? Is that what all of those posts with XYZ and 3545 etc are about? Sheesh!

Agreed that it gets stuck into the Autoloader forum! I haven't had a need to pay attention to caliber wars since my .44 Magnum came home. Now I'm just paying attention to see where/when/how I can pick up a nice 3-4" 629.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

I always say, you can shoot me with your .50, .45, .40, what ever, but I get to shoot you with my 9mm too. Oh yeah, BTW, I get to go first.

 

[Warren]

Doesn't come down to whatever someone is comfortable with?

If a person has no faith in the .380 or the 9mm but they have faith in the .45acp isn't that what they should carry to put their mind at ease?