1stmarine
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I came to the conclusion that the 30 cal Remington AR is a nice case.
How come this can be compared to an AK-47 standard round? Nothing wrong with the AK, it is great but I am just saying there is some bigger potential here for hunters than originally expected putting more than 1000lb/ft of energy close to 500 yards.
This case is very strong and it can hold 44 gr of H2O.
I believe it can take w/o any problems a 168gr bullet w/o running into any COAL issues and push it to a decent speed, at least this is what the math says. What I need is to see if someone with the 30RAR dies can test sitting a nice bullet to verify. If this is true this will make an awesome alternative for hunting a mid range. I cannot understand Remington. They have this awesome case and their marketing strategy is a disaster. They come out with this ugly camo rifle / uppers and a 4 round magazine with standard corelokt 125gr bullet that in terms of ballistics is one of the worse options one can take. When in reality they have the DPMS 10 round mags (same as 450 bushmaster) black uppers and the most important think I am convinced this case will take perfectly the 168 high BC bullet w/o COAL issues. COAL is the problem the WSSM uppers have.
I just do not understand Remington. I might be wrong but it looks to me that the marketing guys there do not have a clue. They could have targeted a much wider market. Again, the case is really strong and short enough to take a very good bullet.
Details:
Maximum length in the AR Magazine 2.270 (.223 is 2.260 but there is a tad more room on average)
Barnes TSX 168gr length is: 1.317
30 RAR cartrige length: 1.5300
Min length to properly seat the above bullet: 0.784 ...this w/o stepping into the ogive.
AR COAL: 2.270
30 RAR Case 1.530
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Difference 0.740
The Barnes TSX 168gr bullet at 0.710 still have another 0.030 before reaching max. COAL. This is a good bullet but might not be the best choice but we also have the Nosler E-tip and a few other good ones.
So if the bullet above could be seated properly and it felt good to the reloader we could find a load with the potential.
QL says this can be done and this is the chart:
Range Velocity Drop Energy
0 2420 0 2185
100 2232 3.4 1858
200 2056 13.82 1577
300 1888 32.51 1330
400 1730 61.01 1117
500 1583 101.15 935
600 1448 155.2 782
700 1328 225.82 658
800 1224 316.09 559
900 1140 429.39 485
1000 1074 569.15 430
Anyone can help?
Cheers,
E.
How come this can be compared to an AK-47 standard round? Nothing wrong with the AK, it is great but I am just saying there is some bigger potential here for hunters than originally expected putting more than 1000lb/ft of energy close to 500 yards.
This case is very strong and it can hold 44 gr of H2O.
I believe it can take w/o any problems a 168gr bullet w/o running into any COAL issues and push it to a decent speed, at least this is what the math says. What I need is to see if someone with the 30RAR dies can test sitting a nice bullet to verify. If this is true this will make an awesome alternative for hunting a mid range. I cannot understand Remington. They have this awesome case and their marketing strategy is a disaster. They come out with this ugly camo rifle / uppers and a 4 round magazine with standard corelokt 125gr bullet that in terms of ballistics is one of the worse options one can take. When in reality they have the DPMS 10 round mags (same as 450 bushmaster) black uppers and the most important think I am convinced this case will take perfectly the 168 high BC bullet w/o COAL issues. COAL is the problem the WSSM uppers have.
I just do not understand Remington. I might be wrong but it looks to me that the marketing guys there do not have a clue. They could have targeted a much wider market. Again, the case is really strong and short enough to take a very good bullet.
Details:
Maximum length in the AR Magazine 2.270 (.223 is 2.260 but there is a tad more room on average)
Barnes TSX 168gr length is: 1.317
30 RAR cartrige length: 1.5300
Min length to properly seat the above bullet: 0.784 ...this w/o stepping into the ogive.
AR COAL: 2.270
30 RAR Case 1.530
--------------
Difference 0.740
The Barnes TSX 168gr bullet at 0.710 still have another 0.030 before reaching max. COAL. This is a good bullet but might not be the best choice but we also have the Nosler E-tip and a few other good ones.
So if the bullet above could be seated properly and it felt good to the reloader we could find a load with the potential.
QL says this can be done and this is the chart:
Range Velocity Drop Energy
0 2420 0 2185
100 2232 3.4 1858
200 2056 13.82 1577
300 1888 32.51 1330
400 1730 61.01 1117
500 1583 101.15 935
600 1448 155.2 782
700 1328 225.82 658
800 1224 316.09 559
900 1140 429.39 485
1000 1074 569.15 430
Anyone can help?
Cheers,
E.
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