Anyone have a super-vepr????

[chapperjoe]

I'm looking into buying one and would like to hear about it more from owners.

 

[Correia]

I had one for sale a couple of weeks ago, but don't have it now. I haven't owned one personally.

They sure are pretty though. We put one up on the wall at the gunshow, and it got a bunch of attention as people came over to look at it. It had really yellow wood, with a nice pattern to it. I thought about buying it for myself, but my wife would have left me.

-Larry
www.fbmginc.com

 

[Correia]

And I'm going to move this to the right forum.

 

[chapperjoe]

I'm trying to find accuracy numbers.
I'm looking for a 3-600 yard rifle with X inch groupings at X hundred yards.
Can a super vepr do that?

 

[JohnKSa]

I don't understand the question.

What X and what X?

 

[chapperjoe]

sorry if i was unclear.
X inch groups at X hundred yards = 3 inches at 300 yards, 4 inches at 400 yards, 5 inches at 500 yards.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

veprs are kalashinikovs

think a fairly heavy trigger and a big reciprocating op rod/piston

my .308 Vepr is a 3-5 MOA rifle

there used to be a pdf on Red Star arms website
where in a guy set up a 223 vepr for high power.

ding!
www.redstararms.com/vepreport.pdf

http://www.redstararms.com/index.htm?catalog.htm&1

 

[JohnKSa]

You want a 1MOA rifle. (1MOA is about 1 inch at 100 yards, about 2 inches at 200 yards and so on...)

For some reason, people with VEPR rifles almost NEVER post accuracy information about them. They either didn't shoot for accuracy or weren't using good ammo or were only using the iron sights, or ... You get the picture.

FWIW, I have a standard VEPR II in .308, but I've never fired it so I'm of no help. I have tried for a long time to find out how other folk's VEPRs shoot with poor luck.

[edit]AH HA! Mr. Tuttle, clearly you are the exception to the rule! What kind of ammo gives you the best results?[/edit]

 

[hksw]

For Θ" at (ΘX100)yds, no, the SV is not going to do it in my experience and estimation. The best I could do with my SV using surplus ammo is about 2.5" at 100yds, but not consistantly. IMO, even using match grade ammo, 1MOA on a regular basis is not going to happen through that platform. Very small possibility if you reload meticulously but otherwise no.

 

[EVIL5LITER]

So accuracy for a Super Vepr is about the same as it is for a Dragunov clone?

 

[Harry Tuttle]

http://www.artemis.as/vepr_forum.htm

 

[Correia]

Yeah, John, real hesitant. I've only posted it on THR about fifty times. I get 2moa. I use Krebs A2 sites.

And I've got match results, and plenty of witnesses to back me before we jump all over the AK accuracy sucks arguments again.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

heres something interesting:

http://www.ak47.com/FAQ Answers.htm#VEPR Stock

Can a scope mount be mounted to the VEPR?

The Standard VEPR as well as the VEPR II and VEPR K have a scope rail on the left side of the receiver. The rail will accept a variety of scope mounts. Scope mounts are not included with the rifle. Not all mounts will fit the VEPR. We carry two different scope mounts for the VEPR.

It is not recommended that the scope mount be used on the VEPR .308 Standard and VEPR II models. They don't seem to hold zero. However, the VEPR .308 Super which comes with a scope mount works extremely well.

The VEPR Super includes a scope mount which fits directly over top of the receiver. It attaches to the receiver in three places giving it a solid fit.

when i bought my vepr .308 in 1999
i purchased a Kobra from Tantal

i emailed him a picture of the sideplate and he was a tad interested in it:
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/opticsap.html

Thus far, at least three variants of Molot-designed optics side plates are known to have been used in their production. These plates, although similar in style and identical in location to military standard AK side plates seen in the past, have specific features unique to themselves. Latest models have a central horizontal groove for the clearance of the PSO forward mounted stop pin. Earlier plates had an inverted design (open space at the front) which was less likely to stop the scope from walking during recoil. It appears the factory also realized this, as later patterns have a forward wall and an open at the rear, which is much more logical.

i purchased another side plate from Tantal but have yet to dremel off the orignal molot unit.

 

[JohnKSa]

Correia,

It was a general statement and obviously we have at least three exceptions posting on this thread alone. I didn't mean it as a personal attack.

I own a couple of AK based firearms (including a VEPR which I can't seem to get to the range ) so I wasn't knocking the rifles, just expressing a bit of frustration at how hard it seems to be to get much in the way of accuracy info on the VEPRs.'

Harry,

Do you have any idea why the VEPR II scope mounts won't hold zero?

 

[Harry Tuttle]

the mount lacks a forward recoil stop

http://www.americansforguncontrol.com/cgi-bin/i/vepr/photos/im0016.jpg

 

[hksw]

So accuracy for a Super Vepr is about the same as it is for a Dragunov clone?

For me, I don't know. I've never shot a Drag for groups before.

 

[cslinger]

Think about 2 MOA on average. Most VEPRs are very accurate and can shoot 1 MOA or less with good ammo and lots and lots of practice to overcome the trigger, chin weld etc. but on average expect in the 2 to 2.5 area with a Super. These are AKs at there heart and even the all Soviet "sniper rifles" were much more designated marksman then precision rifles.

I don't own a Super but I do own a standard VEPR .308. Mine is accurate when I do my part and feed it good ammo but not nearly as consisent as say a good M1A and certainly not an AR10 and as for a good bolt action fuhgetaboutit. So basically what I am saying is I can do 1.5 to 2.5 MOA with my VEPR set up as below but I work at it. I can take my Savage 10FP and shoot 1 inch and slightly under with surplus ammo all day long....ok kind of an exaggeration but I am much more consisent with it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76082

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=77122&highlight=Boy's

 

[soucheck]

Super Vepr .308

This is a solid gun, I hunted deer with it for about 3 seasons, still take it our once and a while if in a stand or something. It is real heavy has no recoil like shooting a .22 but this is because it weighs so much about 15lbs - 17lbs with scope and ammo on board. Or least it feels like it. I mostly hunt now with a savage 300 wsm and it is like a feather compared but does have a man sized kick. I like a good should hit though no problem. One thing I'll say for the Vepr it will last a few 100 years built like a tank.

 

[BamAlmighty]

1 moa firing south african surplus from a lead sled, iron sights....

paid $500, before the whole import thing fell apart. Knew I should have bought another, but missed out, took forever to get this one in the first place.