Anyone have experience with a High Standard Model 10 Bullpup Shotgun?

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AmEngRifles said:
I am a little surprised, no one has mentioned how damn heavy these shotguns are. I have never fired one, but recall hefting one years ago and that thought still hangs tight, that SOB is HEAVY! :)

I guess this is an advantage once firing, since it would help tame the recoil?

Heavy? Hmmn, maybe. The main difference from a standard shotgun on a 10B are the additions of two plastic shells and the aluminum rear sight block. I've always considered it more wieldly than any other shotgun I have, at least for indoor work. True, that it's difficult to use from the left side shoulder, but the swiveling buttstock allows you to rotate your arm up 180-degrees if it's a necessity. (Might get an elbow shot off, depending on how good the BG is, however.) Perhaps, it's just that all the weight is concentrated in a more compact area rather than being balanced between the hands?

For pure recoil taming, nothing beats the heft of a USAS-12 though :) 11-pounds empty and up to 15- fully loaded tends to make it quite a pussycat.... after you've thrown it up to your shoulder.
 
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There's on on Gunbroker.com right now ..... for 1200.00 :what::what:
That's a lot to pay for a 30-year old shotgun.


I think I paid 550 or so in '84.
 
I will be working on some write ups of this sample for a while. I'll try to keep the flow going to this thread to.

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Found this thread after mentionining it's possible (if a reliable design) good choice as a driver/car gun (others being a Saiga SBS and the venerable Ithaca A&B (LOL at 'the Judge). This has always been a gun that fascinated me but I prolly learned more in this thread than ever knew about it. Ran across one in a shop when I was between 18 and 21 so at that time could not purchase as in MI the law calls it a handgun(and 750 or so was a lot for a kid that age). This is just one of those funky unique guns that show up in old movies like the COP derringer or Enforcer pistol, Bushmaster Armpistol, Jatimatic, you know and wonder why they never caught on, and find out. Never did with the HS 10B though, and even after this thread am not clear, other than it was a freakish bullpup design and as usual, not kind to lefties.

There is some serious innovation here, and still a unique (save some custom built Saigas and military prototype FA stuff) that fills a really practical niche. The combat shotgun is not regarded by many as relevant these days, but it is a fact some jobs they are the ideal tactical weapon (night, moving targets, vehicles, Close range/low penetrating, guard, riot, nonlethal, etc., so much more than a battering ram replacement). But a reliable bullpup auto makes for one of the most devastating compact weapons for CQB imaginable. And I see here a weapon way ahead of it's time. What's that the first tactical white light? It shows it's vintage but still. The rotating buttstock takes like the macho fantasy Spas-12 hook but gives it a practical use (positioning on the shoulder, shown here to aid left handers. Aesthetically, this is one of the good ones, like a Valmet 82 or AUG, a rare good looking bullpup.

Were there any factory models with an extended mag? I would call one essential for better handling, obvious higher cap (important here-before loading single rounds from shouldered bullpup position, I might prefer the good ol' NY reload), and back to looks again-doesn't look better with, but naked without. How fast do they cycle, or is it silly to ask or want to know, i'm sure they're no Benelli, but can ya get some hulls in the air?

I don't know. I think a lot of real thought went into this design, ideas not based on cosmetics but how it would fight, and then how it could fight better. I mean among shotguns, this one looks South African in design origin. Today, with a full length mag tube, it might be a viable choice for those unable or unwilling to go the NFA/SBS route but needing a compact shotgun, an auto that if need be could be operated with one hand (no manual cycling, realistically you might get some malfs to clear in that position, but beats how Mireles did it). it would seem like there would be collectors, a cult following for something so advanced for it's day but looks more seen as a cool oddity.
 
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