Anyone have the AK47 pistol(Romanian)?
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It's a great little fun gun to shoot, but I would not call it a PDW by any stretch of the imagination.
I have a Draco and love it. More fun than you would think. I originally had a Bulgy 4-Piece FH on the end but the extra 3" and 8oz wasn't worth it. I mean it worked awsome but was too much weight. I switched to a Primary Weapons Systems FSC47. Much smaller and lighter.
Yes. You need to be able to reliably hit your target. An awkwardly front heavy pistol isn't the easiest thing to aim.
Erik M
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Buds have the same Draco's as Centerfire systems and it seems like they go for about 375-400 retail. They have a good novelty factor but I cant see a practical use for one. Spray and pray weapon.
Well, I think we covered that. It's the shortest route to an effective SBR. Buying one just to have is only half a plan.
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As has been said a folding stock transforms it. I wouldn't want one unless I had the intent to make an SBR. That said, I think some of you are sleeping on it. Using tension from a single point sling you could make COM hits inside 25 yards VERY easily and 50 yards would not be that difficult. I've actually shot a 3 gun style course like this (though the AK pistol was not a draco) and while less ideal than a stock I still make hits and a 7.62x39 is vastly more powerful than pistol caliber rounds. I shot the same course with my PS90 (a true PDW) and I don't remember the times but there was not that much of a difference. Distances were short, roughly 50 yards for the longest shots. Longer shots would have made things more difficult.
Having shot other pistol versions of rifles I will also say a red dot makes them much easier to use. A larue iron dot or micro T1 on a ultimak would make it easier to use.
I of course would rather have a folder stock but it is not as inept a weapon as some are making it out to be. If you didn't want to add a stock a PLR might be a better choice because they are very light and that makes them easier to shoot IMO.
I really like the look of that PLR, although I would personally go for a different vert grip, the bi pod wouldn't aid me much in the style of shooting I do and I like the look and feel of other VFGs better. Perhaps a magpull AFG if you understand the theory behind it and shoot that way. A magpul ASAP sling mount http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/53 and a single point sling would be cool too. Shooting my friends PLR has made me think I would put a Noveske pig brake, (if not an ACC suppressor).
None of which are standard Kalashnikov thread patterns.Sam1911 said:
The "best" muzzle brake for one of these is gonna be the Soviet 4 piece that the 'pig nose" is apparently a copy of. I know for sure it'll be cheaper, and that it will work just as well.
Pistols do not fall under the edicts of 922r, so you can use an original 4-piece Krink flash hider w/o any issues.
I was referencing putting the Noveske on the PLR, does the PLR have a standard Kalashnikov thread pattern? IDK as I do not own one, but I thought it was 1/2/28 TPI, which I also believe the Noveske brake is offered in. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
I bought a WASR 10/63 that is essentially a Draco SBR with romy wire folder and a 6" permanent muzzle device. It's small and handy, anything within 50yds is easily hit; anything past 100yds takes major concentration, mostly due to the fat front sight (which I intend to modify someday). Even with the muzzle extension, flash and noise are quite impressive, so it would be useless in dim light and deafening without earplugs. Sweet rig though...I'll post pics one of these days!
The PLR (if factory threaded) will have a ½"x28 thread pattern (same as the AR15 and many other NATO rifles).Girodin said:
The thread title refers to "Romanian AK pistols" - not PLRs.
My deepest apologies for allowing Badman's cool looking PLR SBR to suck me into dreaded thread drift.
Girodin said:
Just didn't want anyone who read this thread to run out and grind up their Draco or Champion when they didn't have to . .
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I built a AMD-65 kit and a receiver flat into a pistol ... its a hoot to shoot and just as accurate as any of my other AK's!
Actually a Draco is one of the easiest ways to make an AK-SBR drill a hole, tap it and mount a stock ... but converting other rifle calibur pistols such as the several of the HK line or a SiG-556 is even easier.
As to the difficulty of the SBR process, the hardest part is waiting ... I picked up a software package for Wills, Living Wills and Trusts at Best Buy for $10 and downloaded the NFA forums ... filled everything out in under 30 minutes, put it in an envelope with a check for $200 and started waiting (waiting was the hardest part) 58 days later I had my stamp.
As to the $200 ... as mentioned above its less than the cost of a case of ammo ... but its not right, there shouldn't be any charge for an SBR ... its a finincial infringement to the 2A.
I will have one as soon as someone has them in stock again! Plan to SBR it with an ace folder. Also think I will be putting the AMD flash hider on it for now, as the Hungarian ones are pretty cheap. I can't wait to try one out.
With a "typical" folding stock, what would be the overall length folded and then with it extended.
Just wondering because my MSAR STG556 (American made Steyr AUG clone) is 27" long and will zip up in a standard tennis racket bag with a 20 round mag inserted.
Just wondering because my MSAR STG556 (American made Steyr AUG clone) is 27" long and will zip up in a standard tennis racket bag with a 20 round mag inserted.
This gives you a rough idea of a regular 16" barreled AK. I want to say the draco has an 11" barrel? I'm thinking the draco's barrel would end around where the saiga hand guard ends. The overall length should be pretty close to 27" I would think. Maybe someone with a measuring tape can tells us. You could probably google it to.
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I picked up a Draco today, I was impressed with its fit and finish, much better than the usual run of the mill Romanian stuff.
I put a Krinkov flash hider on it, which noticeably reduced muzzle jump and blast, and I also put a sling attachment point on the rear of it. I'm still working on a good fitting sling.
The rear trunnion is from and underfolder I think, there is lots of metal back there, So going the SBR route with an underfolder should be pretty easy.
I have only run about 15 rounds through it, but it functioned flawlessly and hit where I was aiming. I'm impressed so far.
I put a Krinkov flash hider on it, which noticeably reduced muzzle jump and blast, and I also put a sling attachment point on the rear of it. I'm still working on a good fitting sling.
The rear trunnion is from and underfolder I think, there is lots of metal back there, So going the SBR route with an underfolder should be pretty easy.
I have only run about 15 rounds through it, but it functioned flawlessly and hit where I was aiming. I'm impressed so far.
You're right! There was a very detailed thread on this exact point a few weeks ago:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500899
The rear trunion needs some holes drilled and a couple more rivets set, but it is just about perfect for the task.
-Sam
That's because it's not "the usual run of the mill", but an actual military-grade AK subgun. The Romanians just didn't drill the "magic hole" or stick a stock on it.fireman 9731 said:
OTW, it's all milspec (not rejects like the WASR)
I got a Yugo M92 pistol. Not too shabby. One of the last things built by Allied Armament before they went belly up.
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