AK47 recommendations?

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Does anyone have extensive experience with the AK47?

For those new to AK47, there seem to be two options: those with a stamped receiver (the less expensive of the 2 options) and those with a milled receiver.
For someone completely new to AK47 and looking to get into a traditional AK47, what is recommended? Aside from Atlantic Firearms, are there any reputable dealers? If so, do you have any recommendations in that department?

The budget? Let's say from $400 -> $700/800.

Thanks in advance for your time and input.
 
I personally prefer stamped receivers, milled add a lot of weight.

Probably the nicest ones in your price range are Yugo M70s at one end and Arsenals at the other (although a milled one is out of your budget.)

Atlantic is probably your best bet.
 
My AK experience only comes from carrying one as a contractor in Iraq and advising the Afghan Army who of course use them. All the military ones are stamped receivers. I wouldn't want to add anymore weight to an AK by getting one with a milled receiver, to say nothing of the added cost.

I couldn't tell you where to buy one here or which to get...I am looking to get one too. $350-$500 price range, comparable quality to the ones I used overseas. From what I've seen, I like the Yugos too and Atlantic had one I liked for about $500.
 
Actually there are thousands of variations within the stamped reciever.... as mentioned however the Yugo is the best deal for the $$$

Here is the #1 AK website dedicated strictly to AK pattern weapons.......

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/

I use the same ID there as here, if ya drop in the AK-47 specific forum ya will learn all ya ever hoped to know about a first AK purchase, The Yugo based rifles are a top favorite of everyone who builds AKs as well as those who just shoot em.... I've found the experience with AKs here on THR is actually very limited as opposed to those on AKFiles or Surplusrifleforum.com etc..

Best deal on Yugo M70AB2s is going to be Classic arms at $429 ea

http://www.classicarms.us/

They are very good people to deal with,
 
I would recommend either the Chinese (MAK-90) or Bulgarian (Arsenal). Both can be had in your price range and are of better quality. Both are offered with milled or stamped recievers.
 
Depends on the chambering you desire. I like the 223 chambered AKs myself, but the old 7.62x39 caliber is represented in several examples. The Polish underfolder example manufactured by Lancaster is probably the best one you can get these days.

I liked my Yugo, but the Lancaster is a handsome rifle.
 
I own a Romanian SAR-1 (low end of the price scale) with a Kobra optic:

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It's by far my favorite rifle. This is a civilian AKM lookalike (1mm stamped receiver), made in Romania and imported by Century, with some U.S. parts added to meet the 18 USC 922(r) requirements.

Actual AK-47's, of course, were selective fire, milled receiver, 7.62x39mm; the AKM or AKM-47 was selective-fire, 1mm stamped receiver, 7.62x39mm; the AK-74 is selective-fire, stamped receiver, 5.45x39mm. Civilian variants of all three are available on the U.S. market. Strictly speaking, no NFA Title 1 civilian guns on the U.S. market are actual "AK-47's", just like there are no Title 1 "M16's", but I know what you mean.

Civilian AK lookalikes are available in 7.62x39mm (the AK-47 caliber, basically a relatively low-powered .30-caliber similar to .30-30 Winchester), .223 Remington/5.56x45mm, and 5.45x39mm (ballistically comparable to .223, more or less).

Romanian AK's imported by Century Arms are the least expensive AKM lookalikes; Yugoslavian guns are a bit upscale, and the Bulgarian guns above that.

Milled vs. stamped receiver--the Russians replaced all their milled receiver AK's with stamped receivers, not only for ease of manufacturing, but also for weight and durability. Milled receivers are HEAVY compared to stamped, and a properly heat treated stamped receiver will be just as durable as a milled one. Some people believe milled-receiver guns are more accurate than stamped, but IMHO that has more to do with the fact that most milled-receiver guns are at the higher end of the market, and hence tend to have nicer barrels (but a stamped AK with a high-quality barrel would do just as well).

If I were going to buy a new AK in your price range, I'd probably look at a Lancaster Romanian or Yugoslavian build through Atlantic, stamped receiver. Caliber choice is up to you; mag availability is best for 7.62x39mm; 5.45x39mm ammo is the cheapest (but the supply could dry up in the future); and .223's are probably the most accurate and have the most ammo choices, but are hardest to find good magazines for. The 5.45 and .223 models are reputed to be slightly more accurate than 7.62x39mm, but on the flip side, 7.62x39mm is powerful enough to legally hunt deer with in states that allow hunting with centerfire rifles.

Whatever you get, I'd suggest making sure it has the optics rail on the left side of the receiver. Even if you don't want an optic now, if you ever do get one, it's a lot easier to buy a gun with the optics rail than to add the rail later. In my experience optics make the AK platform worlds easier to shoot well; it is not inherently as inaccurate as some people believe (3 MOA is probably realistic for a 7.62x39mm model, with good ammunition), but it is an easy rifle to shoot badly thanks to the short sight radius and heavy gas piston/op rod.
 
I didn't see the Hungarian SA-85 mentioned. It's very well made, and reasonably priced in the sporter version. It shoots VERY well for an AK.
 
I have the SLR-95, the Bulgarian milled AK and I love it. After I shot it I just could not understand what everyone was saying about AK's being inaccurate, but then realizing that there are many made to alot of different tolerances and quality guidelines. I can consistently hit a man-sized target at 200 yards offhand. I don't feel that's it's too heavy and it just runs like a sewing machine.
For what's offered today, if I were to buy one right now, I'd go straight to Arsenal Inc. no questions asked. But for what they're going for these days, it'd be just as well to spend almost the same amount and get a .308 MBR.
 
Have the arsenals improved the finish? I've heard it runs off with common gun cleaners.

OP, look here too:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=316106
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=314522

I've made this exact post twice in the past two weeks:

Try the Lancaster. http://www.lancasterarms.com/

$539
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=446
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$499
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=275
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I've personally owned four (2 Romanian Gs and 2 Polish UFs) and test fired 5 UFs for the factory when in AZ. They back up their product and their personal service is consistently excellent.

To compare the Lancaster and Vector:
-The Lancaster’s have a lifetime warranty, Tapco G2 trigger, are parkerized and then finished in black Gun-Kote. Also the wood on the guns is top notch.

-The vectors have a 5 year warranty and are a parkerized.

Both Lancaster and Vector have good products that will suit you fine. I just have to offer up some of the Lancaster Kool-aid.
 
Thanks

All: Thanks for all your responses!

Classicarms and AtlanticFirearms look like the 2 places to shop for an AK47. I have been pouring over their websites, and there are lots of options. :D

Not sure when I'll "pull the trigger" on a purchase; got the holidays coming up.

At this stage, because I'd like to keep the price down, I'll go with stamped, either a Romanian or a Yugo or a Bulgarian.

BenEzra, thanks for the advice about the scope mount; that is not something I would have considered. Nice looking rifle, too. Thanks for posting the pic. :)

Halo, thanks for the websites and the pics. I visited the AK forums: a bit daunting: a lot of material and a lot of specialization!

If I were going to buy a new AK in your price range, I'd probably look at a Lancaster Romanian or Yugoslavian build through Atlantic, stamped receiver. Caliber choice is up to you;

7.62 X 39 is what I'm considering; going for a traditional experience. Seems to be a lot of ammo around (for now...).

Thanks, folks!

Will post a pic when acquired!
 
The scope rail isn't a real big deal if ya find something ya like otherwise... if your capable of drilling two holes and have $30 ya can add a side rail to any stamped or milled AK in under 5 minutes, I use the original rivet on style but thats cause I build AKs and its no big deal to rivet one on if ya are setup for riveting the entire gun already... takes me bout 5 minutes to add a rivet mounted rail to any AK usin bolt cutter crushers.......

The screw mounted rails are a lil heavier duty, require layin the rail on the reciever, mark the two holes, drill the two holes, take the supplied allen wrench and two buttonhead screws put them in from the inside, add a drop of blue loctite and tighten the two screws now add any optic your heart desires
 
Halo, ya can request Lancaster to install one if ya haven't ordered yet as they are building them its a simple matter to rivet one on don't know what they charge, I usually just charge parts cost ($25) as actually installing one is a couple minutes work usin an end mill and a jig I have for drilling the holes its a very fast job. If already have one without then yes the Tantal Source rail is a really fast solution that I actually like a lil better than the screw rails just cause they can be removed leaving only 2 lil holes if need be but the MKT-02 is the "correct" rail for collector accuracy so thats what I use plus when folks buy an AK they like to see everything riveted etc... heres a link to the rivet AND screw on rails

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstmounts.html
 
If I had lots of money I really didn't need for anything else (like, two guns instead of one) I'd look at Arsenal, Vector and Lancaster.

I got my CAI Yugo M70B1 less than $600 (I only paid $400 and my Dad, who doesn't know how to haggle, paid the rest as a sort of present). It's got the Tapco G2 trigger. It's got the DNS 1.6mm receiver. It's got very nice wood furniture. No offense to the WASR crowd, but the fit and finish blows the competition out of the water. It shoot beautifully. I'd re-buy what I got in a heartbeat.
 
Craig, now see if ya'd just waited a lil longer ya coulda got the M70AB1 PLUS a case of ammo LOL at the lower price available now........ but then ya woulda missed out on all the shooting in the meantime huh? ;)
 
I can't say enough about my Arsenal SA-M7s. The milled receiver is a thing of beauty and the Steyr barrel makes it one of the most accurate AK-variants I have ever had the pleasure to fire. With a Russian PO3 5x21p on deck it's a deadly accurate, robust and reliable rifle. I don't know where the "running finish" came from - my finish is as tough as nails. Yes they are in the upper end of AK-variants, but some things are worth the dough - Arsenal is one of them. I did not find the milled receiver added an extraordinary amount of weight. If anything, it gives it balance and helps to keep the rilfe on target for faster shooting. Milled receivers were not made for no reason - they bring to the platform a feel that you just can't get from a stamped receiver. I'm not saying they're better - just better for me. Handle one, or better yet fire one and you will see what I mean... :cool:
 
I bought a saiga and did the trigger and pistol grip conversion. You will start off with a RUSSIAN sportster made on the same assembly line as their military rifles. Price about 250 to 275. Add about 100 in conversion parts and you got a sub 500 dollar AK clone as close to the real thing as you are going to get. easy enough to do with simple tools. go to saiga12.com if interested. great forum.
 
I've been plenty happy with my $300 WASR-10 GP from Century.First Samco also has quite a selection of rails, accesories, etc for them at some pretty good prices, and installation was like 5 minutes for the hardest part (handguards).Has all held up well for 3 years or so now, and i'm confident it will all hold up for a long time.
 
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