Anyone know the name of the new gun that's supposed to be replacing the M16?

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There are two guns the military is currently testing to replace the M16.

I think one of them is made by Hk? Anyone know the names of the guns, specifically the one that Hk is making?
 
HK416 is one of them, but there are several other designs that are also trying to compete for it. Off the top of my head: Barrett REC7, ACR, XCR, FN SCAR, Sig 556 are also competing, and I think someone who knew someone aho new someone from Colt said that Colt may also be entering an improved design eventually.
 
Don't hold your breath for anything to replace the M-16/M-4 anytime soon.

You would be looking at a gazillion dollars in rifles.
And another quadrillion in development testing, spare parts, tools, magazines, and training.

Nothing on the horizon in 5.56mm is that much better then the M-4.

Ain't gonna happen unless they finally invent Phaser guns.

rc
 
If they do replace the M16; will the M16s become available through CMP?? (in neutered form, of course)
i highly doubt it, alot of the m16's of old are going to the iraqi security forces, IA/ IP's etc.

i agree with model no replacing the m16/m4 anytime soon. the "newest" tool that we have gotten is the m110's. btw they are sweet especially with the can.
 
I'm just glad I can make my own personal armament decisions for my private army of two.
 
even if they replaced them there's no way you could get them. Since they're machine guns, they're prohibited by the 86 machine gun ban. And they are already destroying most military munitions, from tanks to pistols, so I see no reason they would change their practice.
 
There is not a front-runner to replace the M16/M4 series of weapons right now. I've got two friends in the Air Force who will testify to that.

The US Military is engaged in both Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Changing weapons during a war wouldn't be the smartest thing to do. Besides, their next weapon will be much more advanced.

Think about it. What do Britain, France, Israel, Australia, Iran, and China all have in common with their armed forces? They've switched to a bullpup. Even the Germans are looking over some designs. Given the close-combat the Army has seen in Iraq, and the distances fought at in Afghanistan, the military needs a weapon that is both compact and maintains the muzzle-velocity you see on 300+ meters weapons. Only a bullpup rifle can give you that.

I'm telling you, the real next step for the United States Military will be a 5.56 bullpup rifle. We would be behind the curve if we didn't utilize one. And since when has the US Army been behind the curve? It's been nearly one-hundred years.
 
With the current budget deficit, and the current administration making the decision on which programs will continue to be funded and which will be axed. this is your current front runner slated to replaced the M16. I do hope you can see thru its short-commings
and appreciate the weapon for what it is ; 1 serious piece of firepower. It replaces many weapons with one. The ammunition is ligthwieght - AND WATERPROOF- , the gun does not punish the shooter with any recoil whatsoever, and the weapon does not need maintenance. No really. the weapon requires no mainenance. Cleaning kits are not needed.

Without further delay, please, meet the future of American military weapons in our current budget environment, and stand in awe:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeDXVN52cHI
 
FN SCAR. I think it's designated as the Mk16, nice and confusing vs. the existing M16, and IIRC one battalion (or possibly brigade) of Rangers is being outfitted with them. Initial reports I've seen on ar15.com are mixed, with most endorsement but also some reports of parts breakages.

I wouldn't hold your breath, as rcmodel said. It might become popular with SOCOM types but isn't likely to become general issue.

The HK416 was tested but ultimately rejected from army use, I believe mostly over cost and political issues, not any problems with it.
 
The M16/M4 family will be in use by the US military for the next 10-20 years.



However...
US SOCOM recently adopted the FN SCAR-L and SCAR-H.

The FN SCAR-L was given the designation Mk 16 Mod 0 and the FN SCAR-H was given the designation Mk 17 Mod 0.

The FN Mk 16 Mod 0 will replace the M4A1, Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR and Mk 18 Mod 0 CQBR.
The FN Mk 17 Mod 0 will replace the M14 and Mk 11 Mod 0.
 
And since when has the US Army been behind the curve? It's been nearly one-hundred years.

When we forced 7.62x51 on NATO as the standard service rifle round we were about two decades behind the power curve.

I wouldn't hold your breath, as rcmodel said. It might become popular with SOCOM types but isn't likely to become general issue.

Just about everything else SOCOM does gets lapped up by Big Army like a crackhead on vacation in a Colombian coke lab (though sometimes in watered-down, senior officer/sergeant major "fixed" form . . .). Once SCAR is fully up and running in SOCOM it will have a real solid inside track to replace the M4/M16 -- existing logistics track, trained armorers, etc etc, plus that magical catnip for decision makers of "as used by ninjas who're way better than you ever were."

HK, Colt, and everyone else with a dog in the fight will spend the gross national product of Sweden in lawyers fighting that process, of course, so we'll see what happens. Personally I'm with the "ain't broke, why fix it?" school of thought on the 16/4, especially since Congress, in a rare moment of lucidity, seems to be getting ready to make the army ditch the Universally Ineffective Camouflage Pattern ACUs some idiot general foisted on us, which is only going to cost millions and millions to fix all the assorted junk they put that bizarrely ineffective silliness on.

Think about it. What do Britain, France, Israel, Australia, Iran, and China all have in common with their armed forces? They've switched to a bullpup. Even the Germans are looking over some designs. Given the close-combat the Army has seen in Iraq, and the distances fought at in Afghanistan, the military needs a weapon that is both compact and maintains the muzzle-velocity you see on 300+ meters weapons. Only a bullpup rifle can give you that.

I'm pretty decent but not world class running an M4, and am willing to bet I can beat the best those countries have to offer when it comes to actually running a gun -- not just poking paper across manicured lawns, but shooting on the move, changing mags, and making hits at real combat ranges. Bullpups give you longer barrels and take away speed and situational awareness when it comes time to change magazines, etc.

Doesn't mean the bullpup is the wrong answer, just means it is definitely not a consequence/minus free option. Until we can move past the cased cartridge to something superior we're mostly just tweaking things and picking which set of advantages and disadvantages we want to accept.

If they do replace the M16; will the M16s become available through CMP?? (in neutered form, of course)

Nope. As was mentioned, once a machinegun always a machinegun. The government could possibly surplus out uppers or something, but I agree that they're more likely to find their way to Iraqi, Afghan, and various other friendly foreign nations' hands.
 
There are two guns the military is currently testing to replace the M16.
Not going to happen. Look at the current US debt and the projected debt for 2020. Changes are coming but not in new rifles and not in a good way.
 
HorseSoldier said:
Congress, in a rare moment of lucidity, seems to be getting ready to make the army ditch the Universally Ineffective Camouflage Pattern ACUs some idiot general foisted on us, which is only going to cost millions and millions to fix all the assorted junk they put that bizarrely ineffective silliness on.
It's funny that you mention that, though I have never heard a complaint of its effectiveness, I have always thought it was a pretty stupid design with its sharp edges to break up the silhouette of nature...did the designer step outside before printing the initial motif? No combat experience here, but when I look into the woods off the back porch I don't see little squares. :D
Doesn't mean the bullpup is the wrong answer, just means it is definitely not a consequence/minus free option.
I agree, but will still take the BP configuration rifle...handling (at least with most) is much, much better IMO. :)
 
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Maverick - I got issued the digi cammies the last year i was in, but they are more effective than you think, you only really see the squares from MAYBE 20' away, any farther they tend to blur out and create irregularities, and 0 defined lines. They are really effective. Besides, most soilders/marines won't let someone come within even a 100 yrds before identifying or shooting someone. Old school woodland is great too but fades to easily from too much wear. Or maybe I'm just partial to the digi cuz you don't gotta iron it! (hahahaha)

Anyways I agree that a new "M16/M4" is a LOOONG time away. My personal opinion is that the military will keep testing small batches of different types of weapons, such as the M110 (I think will be a success, its sexy), the HK 416 (which I think got dropped), the XM variants (failed cuz it couldn't handle the full auto heat competetively), and SCAR, MASADA/Remmy ACR.

Right now M4 is king and will be for a while. I think more specialized weapons will be issued on a smaller scale for specific mission types, such as CQB (MP7/KRISS/IMI TAVOR), or snipers or a dedicated long-range-rifleman (SR25/M110), instead of the old school tactics of 3 M16's throw a 203 on one add in a machine gunner and good to go. The military is exponetially more advanced now and I think it will be more unit/situation/mission specific on what the weapon will be used for. my $.02
 
Nothing on the horizon in 5.56mm is that much better then the M-4.

Ain't gonna happen unless they finally invent Phaser guns.

I think that sums it up good. There is nothing that much better that would justify the cost.

Maybe a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
 
If they do replace the M16; will the M16s become available through CMP?? (in neutered form, of course)

Never will happen, feds believe once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

If that were possible, we would have been buying semi auto conversions of the BAR, M-2 Carbines, Thompson, Grease Gun, M-14s, etc. for years now.
 
Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

Don't look for anything to replace the M16/M4 for the next 25-50 years. The army looked at new technologies in the 1980s (ACR program) and determined that there was nothing that would significantly improve the effectiveness of the rifle short of explosive rounds - hence the OICW program.

The M16, with all its faults, is a known quantity and combat proven. None of it's potential replacements can say that. They've been tested in the lab or in limited field conditions. That's a lot different that issuing them to privates and dragging them around in the field.

The of course you have to figure in the cost - cost of production, training, etc. Particularly in light of the fact that the rifle is really not important in the grand scheme of things - that is compared to smart weapons, tanks, aircraft, etc.

And managing a new rifle is not going to get anyone a sweet job in the industry like a new plan or tank.
 
Probably the FN SCAR. Still has some kinks, but lowered barrel and cleaner gas system are promising. Kind of tricky switching configs, but as a work in process, I think this will ultimately be the platform for M-16's replacement. If/when they get the bugs out, it will be like a swiss army knife, switching uppers depending on the mission.
 
They were on the new Lock N' Load show on the History channel, but I can't remember the exact names or models. You should be able to go to the History Channel's website and watch the first episode of Lock N' Load and they will be on there.
 
I got issued the digi cammies the last year i was in, but they are more effective than you think, you only really see the squares from MAYBE 20' away, any farther they tend to blur out and create irregularities, and 0 defined lines. They are really effective.

The idea is sound, and the USMC patterns work really well (as do the Canadians, etc). The problem with ACUs is that they picked colors that only exist in gravel parking lots -- literally everywhere else they stick out as unnatural and super visible.

Horsesoldier has spoken; what else is there to say? Agreed that "digital camo" is phenomenally stupid.

Rainy days + bone-on-bone contact in knee = cranky and long winded posts . . .
 
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