Anyone know the name of the new gun that's supposed to be replacing the M16?

[Jaws]

Troops have to do the job with what they get.
Very few had the chance to try anything else and have some valid comparation. It was either 5.56 or 7.62NATO for the vast majority. This two are both at the oposite extremities of useful modern small arms cartridges.
The Russian 7.62x39 is obsolete as well. Is rather useless to compare the 5.56 with the old russian round, since nobody is going to adopt anything with that kind of balistics or that obsolete bullet design.

Especially when you have to get every country in NATO to swap at the same time too.

Like US cared about the NATO the last two times it changed cartridge.

I think if the rest of NATO would have adopted the round they wanted the first time around (.280 British), US would have adopted the same cartridge eventually and 5.56mm would have never happened.

 

[Maverick223]

that obsolete bullet design.

Gosh, next thing you know people will be calling the .45-70 and .30-40 obsolete military cartridges.

 

[Jaws]

I was talking about the old 7.62x39mm bulet design (steel core).

 

[Maverick223]

I was talking about the old 7.62x39mm bulet design (steel core).

Joking...I don't believe any military cartridge is more obsolete than the .45-70 Govt. and .30-40 Krag...in short I agree with your assessment of the 7.62x39, not to say that it will cease to be produced/employed in battle any time soon

 

[Acera]

I don't believe any military cartridge is more obsolete than the .45-70 Govt. and .30-40 Krag.

There Maverick, fixed for you. Other wise, others will not read/understand your earlier post, and how it relates to that post, and major drama will ensue.

However I would argue with you that the 56-56 Spencer Rim-fire, or the .44 Rim-fire used by the Henry are more obsolete and less likely to ever see military service again, but who knows.

 

[Maverick223]

There Maverick, fixed for you. Other wise, others will not read/understand your earlier post, and how it relates to that post, and major drama will ensue.

Thanks, you are right...never even heard of the aforementioned rim-fire cartridges...so pretty extinct as far as combat use is concerned.

 

[Acera]

never even heard of the aforementioned rim-fire cartridges

They were the first metallic cartridges used in repeating arms of any significant numbers during the war of northern aggression.

I understand you not being familiar, probably a few years before your time.

 

[Maverick223]

I understand you not being familiar, probably a few years before your time.

Perhaps a couple. Thanks for the info, I like learning something new.

 

[mljdeckard]

I have killed deer with 45-70 AND 30-40 Krag. If they are extinct, someone forgot to tell me. Just because YOU haven't heard of something doesn't make it extinct. It just means you haven't heard of it.

 

[Maverick223]

I have killed deer with 45-70 AND 30-40 Krag. If they are extinct, someone forgot to tell me. Just because YOU haven't heard of something doesn't make it extinct. It just means you haven't heard of it.

YOU need to re-read my posts...it was about the rim-fire rounds not the centerfires that you mention...also the previous posts were referring to their (.45-70 & .30-40) use as military ordinance...not for hunting, shooting, et al. I happen to love the .45-70 Govt. (the .30-40 Krag not so much), have one sitting in the safe right now, but don't see a great future for it returning to use as a military cartridge.

 

[mljdeckard]

That may be. I didn't look.

 

[Maverick223]

That may be. I didn't look.

No hard feelings, just wanted to clear that up.

 

[PandaBearBG]

mljdeckard +1 every Marine learns to shoot 500 no problem, a long range basic skill that builds confidence and accuracy as he progresses! 300 m is a warm up!

6.8 upper swap is simple, ammo swap is basicly impossible, M4 is here for a LONG time. there are plenty of better DOWN RANGE rifles and BALLISTICLY superior rounds, but proven COMBAT rifle along with a tried and true tested round is what the miliary is looking for. Everyone wants to make that head shot, but the military uses tactics like cover fire, suppressive fire, etc. that's why we have full auto and 3 rnd burst. Everyone has to work together and in the real world sometimes rapid fire has its place and uses. And I think implenting the M1A/M14 back in is probably the most realistic future, the military is slooow and usually adverse to change, it will probably eeek in new weapons at a glacer's pace and a tried and true system like the M1A/14 is a logical assumption.

 

[John Parker]

And since when has the US Army been behind the curve?

When they have to learn COIN over and over and over and over again.

 

[Acera]

Maverick223, I hate to say I told you so, but...........:banghead:

 

[Maverick223]

Maverick223, I hate to say I told you so, but...

I know, right...even after I changed it per your recommendation. :banghead:

 

[rcmodel]

Who says the 45-70 is obsolete in the U.S. Military?

It is still being used today by the U.S. military, in the form of the CARTRIDGE, CALIBER .45, LINE THROWING, M32, a blank cartridge which is used in a number of models of line throwing guns by the Navy and Coast Guard.

rc

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

There is no gun replacing the M16... yet... not definitively anyways.

 

[Maverick223]

Who says the 45-70 is obsolete in the U.S. Military?...It is still being used today by the U.S. military, in the form of the CARTRIDGE, CALIBER .45, LINE THROWING, M32, a blank cartridge which is used in a number of models of line throwing guns by the Navy and Coast Guard.

Interesting information; Not really the same though...is it? I still see no come-back for the venerable old .45-70...though it'd make one heck of a M240B cartridge...and they say that .308 is good for "hardened targets".

 

[rcmodel]

No it's not the same as a front line combat rifle cartridge.
I was just joshing everyone.

But, it is mighty darn neat that it is still an issue caliber 136 years after it was first adopted by the military.

I certainly can't think of any other that has attained that length of service.
Although the .50 BMG may some day.
It's only got another 48 years to go to beat the 45-70!

rc

 

[Jaws]

The Russian 7.62x54R is still going strong after 118 years in service.