Anyone make a .308 solid?

[jim in Anchorage]

Plan on shooting a brown bear this spring/summer and would like to use my .300 Wby. but can't find any .308 solids. I always shoot to break bone on a Brown and would like to use something besides my .375.

 

[Jim Watson]

Woodleigh, if you can find some.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/75...l-metal-jacket-box-of-50?cm_vc=ProductFinding

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Woodleigh, if you can find some.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/752...ProductFinding

That's what I want but "backorder overdue?" That's a new one to me.

 

[MErl]

Yes : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/69...ain-match-solid-copper-hollow-point-bag-of-50 (no backorder but they exist)

 

[jim in Anchorage]

I don't think a 165 HP is what I want.

 

[SlowFuse]

Check these guys out.

http://www.site.cuttingedgebullets.com/pages/available_calibers

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Those handgun solids are legal?

 

[SlowFuse]

Never really thought about it, I guess it's worth looking into if you're buying some. I don't see such a mainstream seller getting away with it if it were illegal. Here's a clip from a quick Google search, not sure what beryllium copper is:


"The definition of ap ammo is at 18 USC 921(a)(17):*
"(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-*

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and*
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other*
substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass,*
bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or*

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and*
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25*
percent of the total weight of the projectile."

 

[Jackal]

Why not just use FMJ then? If .308 fmj will penetrate a 3/8 steel plate, it will probably do fine vs bone...

 

[Captcurt]

Huh?

Better check the regs. FMJ isn't legal in many states. I would imagine that the same is true for solids. I would stick a Barnes or a Nosler Partition in it. They are proven bear stoppers.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

FMJ is not even remotely as strong as a steel jacketed solid. Also undeformed spritzers tend to tumble and go off course. That's why solids are flat or round nose. I am quite familiar with the Nosler Partition on large bear. In a .30 cal. it will not break both shoulders.

 

[Robert]

Are solids legal where you plan to hunt? I know they are banned here in CO, but then that is here, not there.

 

[Gtscotty]

If your rifle stabilizes them, it seems like the 200gr TSX would be a viable option. I can't really think of what else that bullet would be designed for besides what you're looking to do.

 

[Jackal]

Here in WA, our hunting laws only regard bore diameter (minimum 6mm big game, .22 centerfire for cougar), not bullet type/construction.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

About the only thing I can't use in Alaska is a set gun or shotgun larger then 10 gauge. I am looking for a solid because I am a little leery of that HV Wby breaking both shoulders with a expansion bullet. The .375 does fine with a Nosler partition.

 

[Demos]

You could go all out and get these
http://www.cdvs.us/30-06-AP-M2-162-grain-projectiles-No-pull-marks-pack-of-100-P1861.aspx

 

[jmr40]

There have been multiple studies that reached the same conclusion. A 220 gr Nosler Partition fired from a 30-06 or 300 WM out penetrated almost everything short of 375 magnum. That includes most 338 WM loads.

The depth of penetration was a tie between the 2 in several studies although it shows the slower 30-06 with a slight advantage here.

Here is a link, you'll have to scroll about 1/2 way through to get to the 30 calibers. This is a compilation of data from multiple sources over several years. Some of this is data from Finn Agaards work. I've seen some results of his testing in Africa in print, but don't have a link to it on the net.

http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/methods.html

While not exactly the same results the Alaska F&G study came to similar conclusions. Note that in their study they were primarily interested in bear defense. The 300 WBY mag out penetrated 30-06 by a small margin, but they ranked it lower based on greater recoil.

http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf

 

[Dr T]

Well, this one is SOLID, but it is not what you meant:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...ter-200-Grain-Triple-Shock-Flat-Base-50-Count

It may, however, be a viable option, as would

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...ter-220-Grain-Semi-Spitzer-Partition-50-Count

 

[MachIVshooter]

Those handgun solids are legal?

Never really thought about it, I guess it's worth looking into if you're buying some. I don't see such a mainstream seller getting away with it if it were illegal. Here's a clip from a quick Google search, not sure what beryllium copper is:


"The definition of ap ammo is at 18 USC 921(a)(17):*
"(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-*

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and*
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other*
substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass,*
bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or*

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and*
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25*
percent of the total weight of the projectile."

Sporting exemptions. There are a lot of solid copper bullets on the market, including those specifically designed for handguns. The latter are exclusively HP, though, AFAIK.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

There have been multiple studies that reached the same conclusion. A 220 gr Nosler Partition fired from a 30-06 or 300 WM out penetrated almost everything short of 375 magnum. That includes most 338 WM loads.

The depth of penetration was a tie between the 2 in several studies although it shows the slower 30-06 with a slight advantage here.

Here is a link, you'll have to scroll about 1/2 way through to get to the 30 calibers. This is a compilation of data from multiple sources over several years. Some of this is data from Finn Agaards work. I've seen some results of his testing in Africa in print, but don't have a link to it on the net.

http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/b...s/methods.html

While not exactly the same results the Alaska F&G study came to similar conclusions. Note that in their study they were primarily interested in bear defense. The 300 WBY mag out penetrated 30-06 by a small margin, but they ranked it lower based on greater recoil.

http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf

The government report validates what I said in my earlier post, that I don't like using expanding bullets in the HV Wby when maximum penetration is desired. Actually unless I read it wrong the 30-06 outperformed the .300 Wby and they where using expanding bullet's. I would like to see the tests duplicated with solids.

Important to remember here I have no interest in expansion of any sort. Just the ability to break a very large shoulder.