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Strategic Oil Reserve. That's what it's for.
<shrug> When full, there's only enough oil in the SPR to last about a month. Two, when you add domestic oil production to the mix.
Strategic Oil Reserve. That's what it's for.
Seems that those Hollywood lefties got a few of our membership all fired up and off in the wrong direction.
There is plenty of oil as our buddy Richard points out. No need to diversify.
The bottleneck is refineries and thereby the EPA who mandate many types of boutique gas for different locations and seasons.
There doesn't need to be an "energy policy" from the gvt, just get out of the way and let the market decide.
The market will tell you when to change and to what.
Don't panic.
I thought it was just the lefties who have this 1930's industrial robber baron mindset.
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Guess what - NO ONE is figuring ANYTHING out. All the proposed alternatives are so impractical and expensive that we may as well not even bother.
How about these folks?
United Nuclear
Seems like they might have a few ducks in a row, eh?
<shrug> When full, there's only enough oil in the SPR to last about a month. Two, when you add domestic oil production to the mix.
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Guess what - NO ONE is figuring ANYTHING out. All the proposed alternatives are so impractical and expensive that we may as well not even bother.
How about these folks?
United Nuclear
Seems like they might have a few ducks in a row, eh?
Or maybe these guys?
But that is only if we completely run out of oil isn't it? In a case similar to what was presented in Oil Storm, the SPR would have provided enough oil to regulate our oil needs for at least 18 months, from the numbers they presented (700 Million barrels in reserve, only losing ~1M barrels a day).
The answer could be as simple as this "Anything Into Oil"
I don't agree with the status quo on nuclear power, and I'm hardly a liberal.Oh, anyone who doesn't agree with the status quo on a gun forum is a liberal.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7646880/Confronting growing concerns over high energy prices, President Bush on Wednesday unveiled controversial plans to spur construction of new nuclear power plants, provide incentives to buy diesel vehicles and most novel of all: use some old military bases for oil refineries.
it's still OK to waste it?
Am I seeing things of does that site have a link to information about Turkey?
Confronting growing concerns over high energy prices, President Bush on Wednesday unveiled controversial plans to spur construction of new nuclear power plants, provide incentives to buy diesel vehicles and most novel of all: use some old military bases for oil refineries.
I view this in the same way as those who have a very large family, meaning they do cost us by their behaviors, regardless if they can afford the immediate costs. If you have 10 children, then you put more stress on infrastructure and schools to cope, whether or not you can afford to feed and clothe these children better than the next guy (and taxpayers will pay for it - essentially a free ride).
If you drive a huge SUV, then you deplete the easily available oil supplies and force prices up as we shift toward those resources that are more difficult to exploit, costing those who didn't hog limited resources through increased consumer prices and not just on petroleum products themselves.
richyoung - The point is not to decide for anyone what others do and don't need. The point is that we've become a society based ENTIRELY on consumption, with no regard for where it comes from or how it gets here. I think it's reasonable for people to be expected to at least be a little frugal when it comes to our natural resources, don't you?
Gas rationing went into effect almost immediately. IIRC,
I have a question for you then. How come every nuclear power plant in this country is different, or some variation of, all the others? Why don't they build them all exactly the same? It seems to me that a 'cookie cutter' method of designing and building would cut down on costs and construction time and environmental challenges significantly.
...and if you have a pool, then you deplete the supply of easily available potable water, and if you sell novelty ballons, you drive up the cost of helium, and if you have air conditioning, then you are contributing to acid rain and rolling blackouts. Everybody wants to "draw the line" in such a way that "the other guy"s ox is gored.
Imagine it this way: it's the beginning of the jet age and everyone has their idea how jets should function, look, etc. Just as they are the first ones are being built, someone puts a stop to production of any additional ones. The ones in construction can, sometimes, be completed but nothing beyond that.
That's where we are at with the nuclear industry. The ones in existence are different designs because they were all designed when the evolution of civil nuclear power was in flux. There are many new designs on the books and in service around the world, but none are in construction here because nothing has been allowed to be constructed.
The economy won't collapse w/o Helium, AFAIK and water use is already restricted in many places, depending on conditions.
So, we should restrict things we have built a dependency on