Applegate and centerline.

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I have heard that some American Combatives instructors are teaching the Applegate point shooting system with a straight wrist and having the handgun in line with the master eye.
I have also heard Janich state ( on his latest video with Stanford) that later on in his life this is the way Applegate taught it-- after having a change of heart.
Quite frankly I never heard Applegate ever mention this to me, and the last time I saw him was a month before his death.
While it is true that Applegate was finally seeing the value in Fairbairn's half hip technique--which he called body point----when teaching his system to me ( 1996) he still did it he way that he shows it in his book KOGK.
The hallmark of the system is to have the pistol in the body's center with a locked wrist and elbow.
When I teach I avoid the whole bent/unbent wrist controversy by having the student get into a two hand Isoc, then to remove the support hand and then verify that the pistol is intersecting the body's centerline.
This takes appox 3-4 seconds, and then we are ready to move on.
Hope this clears up some confusion on a very simple matter.
PS...I was able to sell off all of the copies of my video that several had requested but did not follow through, so my wife was proven wrong.
If any others would like a copy I would be willing to have some more made up and sell them for cost (about $14, which includes S&H)
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I thought I sent you an e-mail? Oh well, I sent you another...I think I'm just losing my mind. :eek:

Anyway, I've been dry practicing point shooting on a regular basis. Most of the point shooting I've been practicing has come from "Shoot to Live". So I was very anxious to try it out at the range. El Tejon and I went last weekend. I'm very pleased to say that the very first time I tried point shooting from a 3/4 hip position, I was able to hit 6 plates with 7 shots @ 7 yards. My jaw pretty much dropped. That was the last string of plates that I did so we moved on to IDPA sillouettes at about 5 yards. At this distance I was able to point shoot from a 1/2 hip and 3/4 hip position into any area of the target. So headshots were easy with all point shooting. I'm very anxious to try it out again.
 
Just remember, those drills you do on the dreaded square range won't transfer to the street. By all means practice, but shooting plates and cardboard just isn't the same as a deadly encounter.
 
Ankeny- Thank you I understand that. At what point did my post indicate arrogance? I never even alluded towards that I was a mall ninja ready to take on all zombie bears and the Red Armies of China when SHTF. I simply had unexpectedly good results with a new technique. I come from the Modern Technique so point shooting is foreign to me. It worked, I was surprised.
 
Now if I could get that damn "gangsta" style down all the girls in Where Else? will go crazy for me! :D
 
Dude, I can only imagine Ron was being ironic, being that he's an IPSC stud and shoots alot of paper and steel.

You know, the standard point shooting arguement vs the aimed fire crowd when they get skunked at the range...'that'll never work on the street'.

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sanchezero got it, lol. Seriously, I am glad you found something that works for you because that's what really matters.
 
Ankeny- Sorry I think my brain has been on standby all week. I read your post about 10 times trying to decide if you were being serious or not. Sorry! :eek:
 
Daniel:

I was just playing around. I figured the guys that followed my previous posts would chuckle, roll their eyes, and think "oh no...here we go again." I am still trying to put the whole notion of point shooting into proper perspective. I can't decide if shooting from a well developed index with a target focus is point shooting or not. I think I am going to have to break down and buy some instructional materials.
 
As Daniel has found out, point shooting---at least a la Fairbairn/Applegate---is deadly accurate at typical combat distances.
And with minimal practice, might I add.
PS..e mail recieved and answered.
Matt.
 
I can't decide if shooting from a well developed index with a target focus is point shooting or not.

My only instruction on point shooting is the book "Bullseyes Don't Shoot Back" by Col. Applegate and Michael Janich and practicing those methods. According to this source that is point shooting (put very simply). An index with a target focus. What type of index you use may differ.

I followed the previous threads on this topic, there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on both sides of the issue due to a lack of common terms.
 
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