Application to Carry.........in NJ

[hellinpetticoats]

I have a very brave friend who has gone through extensive training, works for a high profile person who is frequently embroiled in controversy and has decided he will apply for a concealed carry permit here in Corzinistan.

He was told by the State Police that a Letter of Intent must accompany the application.

Does anyone here know EXACTLY what they are looking for in the requested Letter of Intent?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

 

[The-Fly]

I think thats a code phrase for a suitcase full of cash, left in his (dis)honor's office.

 

[Prince Yamato]

You need to name drop. For instance:

"I regularly hang out with and am a close associate of Michael Bloomberg. Being around Mr. Bloomberg puts me in close contact with many people of questionable and possibly violent character. Fearing for the well-being of myself, my close friends, and above all, Mr. Bloomberg, I would like to request a concealed carry permit"

Please refrain from puking or laughing whilst writing that.

 

[raz-0]

Ok. He needs to get his act together for this, as being denied a permit in NJ (very common) can be used to deny you permits elsewhere. BAsically, NJs stupidity may follow your buddy aorund like an actual crime.

He needs to get in touch with a lawyer if he wants to apply and do it right. The two (maybe one at this point) businesses that bother to do armed guard service in the state basically keep them on retainer and shufffle you through them.

Google Evan nappen for probably the best firearms law lawyer in the state. IIRC his office does help out with the process to keep it minimally harmful, but more importantly can tell you if you are in a position to even bother applying.

It is not something to do half-assed as the consequences for failure are significant.

 

[Highland Ranger]

That's good advice.

You don't want to answer YES to the "Have you been denied a permit by any other state" question.

Several attorneys are retained to answer member questions by ANJRPC. If you haven't already done so, join the NRA and join the state NRA org - ANJRPC.

This is the list of lawyers from ANJRPC: http://www.anjrpc.org/legaladvice.htm

That might serve as a low cost pre-qualifying discussion before you spend larger dollars to engage a guy like Nappen.

 

[Crunker1337]

You just have to prove that carrying a handgun will protect first-class citizens, as opposed to your own life.

 

[ilbob]

as being denied a permit in NJ (very common) can be used to deny you permits elsewhere

what states that actually issue permits would deny someone based on a permit denial in NJ?

urban legend?

 

[never_retreat]

HA HA
your joking right?

 

[CountGlockula]

"Letter of Intent" is another way of having a "good cause" to carry. Good luck to your friend.

 

[annielulu]

I have used Evan Nappen for legal matters in New Jersey. I recommend him highly. Very knowledgeable and not that expensive.

 

[Car Knocker]

You don't want to answer YES to the "Have you been denied a permit by any other state" question.

No such question on the Utah application. What states do ask this on their applications?

 

[Highland Ranger]

I was trying to recall - I've seen forms for NJ/NY and FL - something along the lines of "Have you ever been denied a permit for any reason" or some such . . . . but I can't tell you for sure which state.

Let me see if I can find something online.

 

[PaladinX13]

I'd pass Hunter's Ed first. Then pay for NRA or equivalent safety/certification courses. Then get an out-of-state CCW FIRST. These things all together will help establish you as a safe, conscientious, etc. owner... then write a letter of why you need to carry and the Chief of Police may grant you a limited license.

I got my first one without a lawyer that allows me to carry to and from and around, work and home, but nowhere else. For a more expansive carry permit, you might need a lawyer or additional finagling.

My current one, an "unlimited" permit (that is, without any restrictions in the comment box) came about through helping the local mayor get elected. Sad the system works that way, but true. Getting involved in local politics isn't much of a commitment and is a much better guarantee of getting a permit if you're personal friends with the folks who grant or deny your application.

 

[everallm]

H'mm

A civilian getting a carry permit in NJ

Like Sasquatch, the Loch Ness monster and an honest NJ politician.

Much rumoured, rarely seen....

 

[Standing Wolf]

I believe I'd simply emigrate to the United States.

 

[Crunker1337]

HAHAHA that last one was good.

PaladinX13, I am impressed! But I still don't want to spend the rest of my life in this anti-2A state.

 

[v35]

Does anyone here know EXACTLY what they are looking for in the requested Letter of Intent?

Sixteen posts and the only apparent answer is "no".

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Agreed.

 

[.cheese.]

They're looking for what you'd plan to do if you had a carry permit, as well as why you want one.

They basically are looking to weed out responses with people wanting to carry in what they perceive as non-pc place, prohibited places, and also if you just don't have a good reason to carry a gun.

 

[romma]

I believe NH and FL ask if you have been denied anywhere... And those are two very sought after permits. I have them both and I know at least one, if not both asked that question.

 

[syh]

a friend of mine has an unrestricted (no restrictions listed in the box) NJ conceal carry license. He works for an armored car service, and shot top of his class in the qualifications. If you really want one, that's a route you might want to consider.

From my experiences, I couldn't even get FINGERPRINTED FOR A FLORIDA LICENSE without telling them i was applying for a "security job in florida which required me to have it". NJ is very anti average joe getting a permit, but if you show it's for employment in security type position, it might help you.

I had both the state police in Perryville and the local station tell me to take a hike. One literally said "I'm not touching that. I don't want anything to do with this", and the other told me about 10 times "you know this isn't valid in NJ. you know you can't carry here. I don't even know what you're doing. This is sketchy, there's no way I'm printing you"

I went back to the locals next month and said "security" and they were totally chill.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

 

[hellinpetticoats]

Thank You All!

I really appreciate all your responses.

The Applicant had some serious military clearance years ago, did the NRA Basic Pistol Course, has the Florida CCW and is almost at the end of the CCW course (I don't know the exact name of the course.) that he's been doing for months, so he's done his homework.

In addition to doing the "homework," contact Mr. Nappan, "name-dropping" and "sucking up" to the one who decides to approve or deny all seem like valid suggestions. The "sucking up" part is the most difficult since he is SOOOOOO NOT a minion of Corzine and the NJ "pay to play" set.

(Some of you guys should seriously consider a career in comedy writting! You're GOOD!)

Again, thanks so much for the feedback. High Road people are the best!

 

[eric.cartman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a83uu38RWuE

 

[TennVOL]

Having a security clearance doesn't matter when it comes to carry permits.

 

[PaladinX13]

For my letter, less than a page (short and sweet; no one likes paperwork), I wrote my extra-regulatory qualifications first (gun related as well as character/community-based) factually and without color, then I wrote where and why I'd like to carry along with an invitation to call for any questions or clarifications (which they did). And attached a 1 page report showing the number of incidents of crime in my work area and in my field.

I think a simple, dry, and stoic approach is best on paper (don't be emotional, paranoid, or even patriotic) but if/when they call to interview you, that's when you do your best to be human. When they called me, they just wanted to check that I'm not "dangerous" and actually spent most of the time talking about a community thingy on my short "resume" that he was also formerly involved in.

My second time, they didn't require a letter of intent.

 

[PaladinX13]

The "sucking up" part is the most difficult since he is SOOOOOO NOT a minion of Corzine and the NJ "pay to play" set.

Depends on where you live in NJ. There are still quite a few Red districts. My first time I lived in a fairly rich suburb where people were republican mostly on the hopes of lowered taxes, but honestly had a strong blue/liberal streak in their thinking ("guns are scary"), so you have to prove you're not scary to them.

My second time, I lived in a completely rural, pro-gun, Red town where the mayor was a Democrat but more conservative than any of the Republicans in the first town. Everyone here, though, knew the man and his values and voted on that rather than his political alignment, where they just chose to agree to disagree so long as he kept to the values they shared (including pro-gun).