green-grizzly
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Most of my fairly stock ARs can get 3-4" groups with milsurp ammo, or about half that with handloads or match ammo.
AR-15 accuracy
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To the original question . The average AR 15 is a pretty accurate general purpose rifle . Looking at several of my rifles and quite a few that belong to friends I will claim the average 16" standard chrome lined barrel will shoot around 2" (say 1 3/4 to 2 1/2") on the average with decent ball ammo . (fed Xm193 or similar). Most guys will need to use a scope to beat that ,a red dot might be slightly bigger (but faster) and pretty much only the real skillfull shooters will beat that with regular iron sights. A match barrel ,a 20" upper or match iron sights which would be a slimer front post with a smaller apeture rear sight could all help shrink groups if the shooter has the skills to use them . Ball ammo is only going to shoot so tight , match ammo will again help the skilled shooter .
The wonderfull groups posted by Ridgerunner are something to strive for but most of us would be disapointed if we expected a stock gun with stock irons to shoot that nice .
The wonderfull groups posted by Ridgerunner are something to strive for but most of us would be disapointed if we expected a stock gun with stock irons to shoot that nice .
Ridgerunner665
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Maybe I did get a fluke gun...if so, I'll take it.
Those groups are nothing to write home about to me...my 308 and my 300 Win mag will both shoot less than 1/2 moa at 100 yards...but they are customs with Lilja barrels. I have a 270 Improved thats the tackdriver. On a good day it will print groups to tell about at 300 yards and beyond.
Those groups are nothing to write home about to me...my 308 and my 300 Win mag will both shoot less than 1/2 moa at 100 yards...but they are customs with Lilja barrels. I have a 270 Improved thats the tackdriver. On a good day it will print groups to tell about at 300 yards and beyond.
feedthehogs
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I have 6 different Bushmaster configurations, shorty ak, dcm, 20" target, 2 m4 style with different configs, and a varmit style.
All shoot dime size groups at 100 yards with 62 grain green tip. 55 grain spreads the group to nickel size
The dcm and target with handloaded will shoot one hole at 100 yds and dime size at 200 with no to lite wind.
They all have 2 stage triggers which helped with the accuracy.
All shoot dime size groups at 100 yards with 62 grain green tip. 55 grain spreads the group to nickel size
The dcm and target with handloaded will shoot one hole at 100 yds and dime size at 200 with no to lite wind.
They all have 2 stage triggers which helped with the accuracy.
Ridgerunner665
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17footter,
When you're shooting with open sights at a distance...you're not aiming for the 1 inch square.
As I said before, you remember the "sight picture" which is what you see when aiming at the 8"x10" sheet of paper or the 5'x7' car hood, pull the trigger when everything looks EXACTLY the same as it did when you pulled the trigger for the previous shot. I don't know how else to explain it, I wish I knew how to put it so you guys could understand it....in a word...its FUNDAMENTALS
When you're shooting with open sights at a distance...you're not aiming for the 1 inch square.
As I said before, you remember the "sight picture" which is what you see when aiming at the 8"x10" sheet of paper or the 5'x7' car hood, pull the trigger when everything looks EXACTLY the same as it did when you pulled the trigger for the previous shot. I don't know how else to explain it, I wish I knew how to put it so you guys could understand it....in a word...its FUNDAMENTALS
CraigC
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Exactly! When you're shooting for groups with open sights, you have to match your target to your sights. You don't need to be able to see a tiny target to shoot tiny groups, you need a target that you can get a consistent sight picture with. When I'm shooting with open sights at 100yds, I use either an 8" solid black square, or an 8" solid black bullseye, depending on the type of front sight. That allows me to replicate my sight picture more easily from shot to shot. I've shot sub-MOA groups with everything from target peeps to the semi-buckhorn rear sights on my Winchester 1895 .405WCF. Matching your target to your front sight allows you to find the identical sight picture every shot. That consistency combined with an accurate rifle loaded with a load it likes results in small groups. Not your ability to see a quarter sized target at 100yds.
Sorry to tune in late, I was searching for info on the S&W M&P15 and .22LR conversions.
Doug Kennedy
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I know of 2 Les Baer AR15 that will shoot .175-.250 with 1-9 twist 26gr H335 55 nosler 55 gr bt. 20" barrel and a leupold 45X scope. These are not my ARs..............I wish They were!
skinewmexico
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My Bushmaster shot under 2 MOA at 100 yards with iron sights, about 1 moa with a scope. If one won't, it should go back to the factory. It's not like there is a quality difference when you're talking Bushmaster/RR/DPMS/S&W.
rklessdriver
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Ridge Runner
There should be absolulty no reason to doubt your groups. IMO congrats thats good shooting!
I have seen many groups that size or smaller during my time as a competitive marksman in the Marine Corps at Intrumural and Division level Matches. All of them shot with worn out standard old service M-16A2's.
I personally have and have seen other really good shooters hit the shot spotter (6") numerouse times during regular rifle qualifications at 500yrds.
Considering the condition of the barrel crown on some of the M-16's I have seen (due to the way Marines are taught in Boot Camp to scrape the carbon off it with the sharp edge of a cleaning rod...), its not hard to believe a new 16" CAR would be capable of similar or better accuracy.
I know my presonal 16" CAR I built from a Bushmaster lower and a Model One kit about 9yrs ago will shoot less than 1" from a rest @ 100yrds.
Will
There should be absolulty no reason to doubt your groups. IMO congrats thats good shooting!
I have seen many groups that size or smaller during my time as a competitive marksman in the Marine Corps at Intrumural and Division level Matches. All of them shot with worn out standard old service M-16A2's.
I personally have and have seen other really good shooters hit the shot spotter (6") numerouse times during regular rifle qualifications at 500yrds.
Considering the condition of the barrel crown on some of the M-16's I have seen (due to the way Marines are taught in Boot Camp to scrape the carbon off it with the sharp edge of a cleaning rod...), its not hard to believe a new 16" CAR would be capable of similar or better accuracy.
I know my presonal 16" CAR I built from a Bushmaster lower and a Model One kit about 9yrs ago will shoot less than 1" from a rest @ 100yrds.
Will
collateral
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my bushy m4 will do 1 inch groups or less with 62 grain black hills fmj at 100 yards if I do my part.
ny32182
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Mine have done 3-4" with milspec ammo.
My first set of handloads, shot through a 20" CMMG milspec upper, the best load did a 10 shot 1.3" group. (68gr Hornady BTHP, 23.7gr Varget).
I'm not a perfect shooter, but I think the ammo is a major component. Assuming an average rifle and shooter, the biggest component.
I have loaded more of the load above, and hope to attempt to duplicate the performance soon.
My first set of handloads, shot through a 20" CMMG milspec upper, the best load did a 10 shot 1.3" group. (68gr Hornady BTHP, 23.7gr Varget).
I'm not a perfect shooter, but I think the ammo is a major component. Assuming an average rifle and shooter, the biggest component.
I have loaded more of the load above, and hope to attempt to duplicate the performance soon.
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