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I love PMAG's.
Too bad they mis-feed from a closed bolt in MY rifle

and mine as well - a ground up custom competition rifle.

It's funny how the AR with a BOLT HOLD OPEN can't be loaded to suit some users.

funny or not, makes sense or not, its the rules of competition. but, speaking to your point, if i load the mag w/ the bolt open and release the bolt, p-mags work just fine.

i have one c-products mag. works fine most of the time, but once in awhile it fails to lock the bolt back on an empty mag - which leads us right into why you would load the rifle from a closed bolt...

zero - bolt over base malf is exactly that: the bolt rides over the base of the cartridge failing to pick up and chamber the next cartridge in the mag. in my p-mags the bolt will try to load the cartridge from about halfway up the body. what has to happen is i have to retract the bolt, and then release the handle, and it will chamber and function fine - but that first cartridge doesn't pick up.

also, i run p-mags in my remington r-25, which is a dpms mag system. p-mags most assuredly work in the dpms pattern rifles (and work very well).
 
i'm not sure what a bolt over base malf is?

That's when you trip the bolt...

The bolt moves forward a bit...

The bolt engages the BASE of a cartridge...

The bolt pushes the cartridge forward some...

The nose of the cartridge does not enter the chamber...

The bolt OVERRIDES the base of the cartridge...

The cartridge becomes mashed between the bolt and the breechface...

The bolt comes to rest short of full battery...

The mashed cartridge prevents operation of the charging mechanism...

The magazine must be stripped from the rifle...

The mashed cartridge (hopefully) falls out of the mag well...

The magazine can be re-inserted into the rifle...

To repeat the same malfunction unless the bolt is locked back before inserting the magazine.

It pretty much sucks, and is impossible to clear, while one hand is wrapped up in a sling and shooting glove.
 
WEG, pardon, I did misread your concern. I should have been more careful reading, as I have never used a PMag .
On the USMC rifle range, you do indeed load a magazine against a closed bolt, then pull back the charging handle.
 
To everyone who thinks Pmags are "the best," you really owe it to yourself to try out:
Lancer L5
Fusil USA steel mag
TangoDown ARC mag

Not saying Pmags are bad, I have and use a couple dozen of them, but my experience, my assessment, and my talks with professional trainers all tell me that the three above are in the same league, and in some ways possibly better.

As for .308, I have a DPMS .308 and some .308 Pmags, they are OK but I don't think they're as good as the .223 Pmags. I actually prefer the C-Products .308 mags, even though I'm not a fan of CP for .223 mags.

Although this is true with many companies, I have personally been an unintended beta-tester for Pmags in both .223 and .308 flavors. If you want some of the early .223 Pmags that don't work reliably, I'll be happy to sell one or more to you. (Yes, I know Magpul will replace them for free, I just haven't gotten around to it.) I don't know of specific changes they've made to the .308 mag yet, but I can say that its follower isn't much in the anti-tilt department.
 
I've never had a problem with loading 30 round PMAGs on a closed bolt. They have been absolutely perfect so far, but I only have about 500 rounds down the pipe since I build my AR. That's with a Charles Daley lower & BCM upper and bolt. Your mileage may vary.
 
i have switched to using pmags exclusivly. with my mil discount at dsgarms i get the standard pmags for $11, and $13 for the maglevel pmags (with the windows) . I have been using them for about 2 years, i have went through 3 training courses with them and this deployment so far without issues. i am just looking foward to the quad stack p mags to come out.
 
I use Pmags and have no problems, I do load from an open bolt at all times as its easier for me to chamber a round being that I am righthanded shooting lefty do to eye dominance.

Cheapest I ever found them was on Cheaperthandirt.com and I paid 10 bucks a mag, they where the countdown mags and you couldn't select the color of them, at that price though Its hard to care what color you get.
 
I hate PMags. Like others have said, they don't work when you load it against a closed bolt.

Argument for GI mags: You can load it with the bolt open or closed and you can always bend feed lips back.
 
Ok I went out and tested various Pmags on 3 guns loading them from a Closed bolt. Not a single one had an issue. What the heck are you all talking about.
 
I came across a deal a while back. 10 PMags for $97, free shipping. Needless to say I jumped on it. The deals are out there just be patient, the zombies aren't on your street, yet.

I watched the PMag torture test on YouTube and I was sold.
 
W.E.G. - I don't know how Azziza tested it, but I load my 30 rd PMags with a closed bolt all the time. In fact I did it several times tonight while at the range. Bolt closed on an empty chamber, slide the mag in until it clicks, pull the charging handle back, let it slam forward, disengage safety, pull the bang switch. Works every time for me.

I also have tried several times seating the mag with a healthy smack on the bottom, and it still works 100%. That's not to say some people don't have problems, but the PMags have been superb for me.
 
this is the first place that i have ever heard of anyone having issues with pmags and loading them from a closed bolt.
 
I used my own PMags when going through my last unit's two week Special Forces Basic Combat Course which included a whole lot of range time and a whole lot of tactical reloads on a closed bolt and had exactly zero issues making PMags with 30 rounds loaded work consistently and reliably.
 
I believe the issue was Pmags loading on a closed bolt with only 1 to 3 rounds left. I do it on occasion in Weapon drills to increase my reload time

IE: load 3 rounds in mag,
fire 2 to chest 1 to head
insert fresh mag (with 3 rounds)

Rinse repeat till out of mags, pull pistol and repeat..blah blah blah

I would say my rifles are custom built like the gents with the issue above but some " AR enthusiasts" consider a complete DMPS Lower on a complete Stag upper with a duracoat paint job a "custom built AR".

I however do not.
 
Never had any issues with pmags on a closed bolt either. As I understand it, any initial problems with pmags were ironed out with the newer 'm' revision mags. I never had any of the earlier ones.
 
I believe the issue was Pmags loading on a closed bolt with only 1 to 3 rounds left. I do it on occasion in Weapon drills to increase my reload time

I do that frequently with my Pmags and have no problems either.
 
Another vote for "never had a problem loading from a closed or open bolt with a p-mag".
 
I don't own an AR, and I prefer 20rnd magazines for most tasks, but I own a rifle that takes AR type magazines and have tried just about every available magazine, my conclusions are as follows:

Lancer L-5s: Excellent magazines that are very rugged, reliable, and allow you to monitor the capacity because they are smoked translucent polymer. The steel feed lips allow you to keep the magazines loaded and prevent damage, the rubber base plate also prevents damage when dropped. Bar none my favorite magazine, I keep these around for serious use (defense, et al.). Available in 20 and 30rnd variants, they are priced at about $15.00USD/ea.

Magpul PMags: Another great magazine. Very durable, but feed lips can crack if dropped on a hard surface, though the have a great warranty against damage. A version is available with a window for monitoring the capacity. They have become the new standard, I use these for general range use. Also available in 20rnd version, they cost about $12.00USD/ea.

USGI Aluminum Magazines: The standard AR magazine, they are durable, but the feed lips can deform if dropped (thus causing malfunctions). The feed lips are also subject to fatigue, but have a moderately long service life. Likely the lightest and certainly the most available magazine available for the AR-15 platform. From my experience the best USGI magazines were made by Labelle, Sterling, Adventure Line, and Okay Ind. 20rnd magazines are available (NHMTG make decent 20s), but the 30s usually exhibit better quality (as do 40s but they are rare, bulky, and costly). I use these for most of my 30rnd magazines. They can be found for $8-10.00USD though some more rare examples (collectors items) can cost several hundred.

Brownell's Brand Magazines: Available in both 20 and 30 round capacities, these appear to be the same as USGI aluminum magazines and exhibit the same flawless function IME. I prefer genuine USGI if only because it is made for and/or used by our armed forces, but I wouldn't turn down one of these if I needed one. They average about $8-12.00USD.

Israeli Orlite Magazines: Another polymer magazine, these are fairly durable, but not quite as good as PMags and nowhere near as good as L5s IMO. I sold all of these after the switch to PMags, but they aren't bad. To my knowledge 30rnd magazines are the only version available. Prices range from $5-10.00USD depending upon condition (most are surplus).

Thermold Magazines: Similar to Orlite magazines, but lacking the steel reinforcement and having a lower melting point (best not to be used in FA applications), they are a bit weaker than the Orlite but afford similar performance (though some folks report problems with them). 20 and 30rnd variants are available; they are most often priced at $4-8.00USD.

C-Products Magazines: They produce both Al. and SS magazines in both 20 and 30rnd versions. They seem to be hit or miss, I have had some issues with feeding using some of these magazines and would avoid them altogether. Typically cost $8-15.00USD.

Pro-Mags: They manufacture Al. and polymer magazines in 20 and 30rnd capacity. The Al. ones can be decent, but are hit or miss. I have never seen one of their polymer magazines that would feed properly. I would avoid both, and forget the polymer ones exist. They vary in cost from about $5-10.00USD.

"USA-Brand" Magazines: Al. magazines made to the absolute lowest standards, avoid all of these at all cost. The culprit of a great number of AR malfunctions. Found at most gunshows for $5-10.00USD.

There are a few that I haven't tried, or haven't much experience with, like the HK mags, Cammenga, Korean steel magazines, or Fusil, but honestly I see little benefit in trying more because the top 4 work so well (especially the Lancer mags) and many of the "specialty" magazines are very costly.

:)
 
Maverick - Brownell's has or had a government contract for 30rd aluminum USGI mags, so they are also true USGI.

I'll flesh out your list a bit based on personal use:

HK Maritime mag - not worth the cost. It works OK, doesn't do anything that the better $15 mags won't to.

Fusil USA - one of my favorites now that they are available for only $10 from CDNN and other places. So far 100% reliable in my use.

Cammenga Easymag - the slide-open front doesn't actually speed loading. It does speed unloading if that's a regular need. Otherwise it's a good solid mag, but a bit heavy and more complicated than conventional mags. I have and use some but probably won't buy more. Now available for $15 from CDNN.

Korean steel mags - these are a knockoff of the HK "Maritime" mag and are roughly equivalent, with two differences: they only cost $10 or so, and their follower doesn't extend the mag catch tab all the way to the back, so it does NOT reliably lock the bolt back in a standard AR-15. These were designed for the Daewoo military rifle which, I believe, has a longer bolt hold-open finger. They have fed reliably in my use but, due to the unreliable (usually not) bolt catch, I can't recommend them.

And I'll add:

TangoDown ARC mag - this is a new polymer mag somewhat similar to a Pmag. It cannot be disassembled and doesn't have a dust cover like the Pmag. I like the shape better, and the follower is slick and as anti-tilt as they come. 100% reliable in use so far. They fit into standard mag pouches (the ones designed for USGI aluminum mags) much better than Pmags. I prefer these over Pmags.
 
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