AR-15 Zeroing... Odd conversation with 'smith

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We were discussing my OlyArms AR-15 irons and why I was having trouble zeroing. He asked, "Do I have military sights or competition(?) sights?" I stumbled in answering because this now MilSpec carbine was properly configured... except for one thing: in reading the mil zeroing article on ar15.com I didn't have that 8/3 start-point, my detachable handle rear sight has one-click steps from 0 through 15. (He also talked in "Inches").

To digress a bit for info, I have a 4x scope on the handle and alternate with a red dot on the flat top. Most of my range effort was in zeroing the two scopes at 25 yds. Finally getting to the irons later, they were almost right on - a bit low with the dial set at zero. I wanted to adjust the front sight but the range was crowded and handling was awkward. I could live with an inch or so low until next time.

When next time came I set up on the 50 yd to see where the hits were with the two scopes. Not bad but needed teaking, but I had more interest in the irons at that point. Well, working with a spotting scope I ran about 8 rounds firing and looking each time. Never saw a hole in the paper. That threw me as to how that could happen. The handle was mounted right and tight, the settings hadn't changed since last outing.

My rear sight does not have that really large 0-2 aperture (that the 'smith showed me on another AR with the 8/3 setting) - mine is smaller and of course the other aperture is even smaller.

My questions: What is the appropriate zero method for my 0 - 15 irons? And what did he mean (if I understood properly) by "a thousand inches"?

TIA.

-Andy
 
I also prefer the 50 yard IBZ method for irons and red dots. I've never had a chance to try my rifles further than 100 yards, but it zero's the rifle right smack in the middle of the ranges that I use my guns. I really don't even need the elevation adjustments on my rear sight. I zero at 50 yards and leave it alone. YMMV of course.

Keep in mind that the traditional "Army/Marine TM" method is for 25 meters not 25 yards.

For the 4x scope, I'd have to go with a 100 yard zero. It's my understanding that most commercial magnified optics(for centerfires) are made to zero at 100 yards unless your owner's manual specifically states something different.
 
Thousand inch was the term for 25-meter ranges that once were being installed at most (it seemed to me) NG armories in the '60s-70s. There was/is a special sight-in target for 1,000-inch training and qualification, with a nice little grid system that correlated to the M16A1 clicks. Don't know if it was ever updated for the A2 (as in 4 clicks per front sight rotation instead of 5 on the A1 round front sight).

IIRC, POA = POI at 25 meters was also the battle sight zero. Bullet path crossed line of sight on the way up, then crossed again at 350 meters or so on the way back down. The high front sight above the bore is behind all that.
 
Yup, they have new click targets for A2s and M4s. Battlesight zero for an A2 is for hits out to 300m, at that range the bullet is a few inches low, but still "minute of torso." If your rifle doesn't have military sights just zero it however you like. Use the front post for elevation and the rear for windage. Then you can play with the clicks to see what they coorespond to. On the military version its range in meters, but 1-15 can't mean that, even with a super-duper low drag bullet.

I would zero it at 25 yards with the sight on "0" (which will have the bullet within 5" of the sight line out to 250-300yds) and find out the adjustment in minutes of each click up from there. Have fun.:cool:
 
Strambo...

Thanks for that... makes sense. As above, it was pretty well zeroed at 25 yds when set to "0" - I was surprised actually. But when I shot the 50yd I never saw holes in paper - with a spotting scope yet. That surprised me too.

I'm reasonably sure that those rounds didn't pass through the same hole (which I couldn't see). Guess I should have picked up the target at range cold. Learning curves - it never ends, does it?

-Andy
 
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