AR furniture suggestions
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Theohazard
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Yeah, they make a variety of good grips and stocks, and their MOE handguards give you the simplicity of the standard handguards with the ability to easily attach accessories. I got rid of my MOE handguards when I installed a free-float rail, but if you're looking to stay with irons I'd definitely recommend them.
BluesDancer
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Not quite what you are expecting to hear, but I've got to tell you - in terms of furniture I actually like your setup - everything that you need and nothing you don't. Talk about KISS!
However, if you feel you must change some of the furniture out, may I recommend a B5 Systems Bravo SOPMOD Stock and, if you use mainly for short-medium range, a Magpul MOE K2 grip? See links below:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=886&name=Magpul+MOE+K2+AR15/M16+Grip
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...+Systems+BRAVO+SOPMOD+Collapsible+Rifle+Stock
However, if you feel you must change some of the furniture out, may I recommend a B5 Systems Bravo SOPMOD Stock and, if you use mainly for short-medium range, a Magpul MOE K2 grip? See links below:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=886&name=Magpul+MOE+K2+AR15/M16+Grip
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...+Systems+BRAVO+SOPMOD+Collapsible+Rifle+Stock
Willie Sutton
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Why?
There isn't any real inadequacy in your existing setup.
Thus:
There isn't any real gain to be had by changing anything.
The rest is just cosmetics. Do you want to look more tacti-cool? Knock yourself out. It's like your socks: It might make you feel better to have ones of a different color than before, but... you're the only one that will notice.
Magpul stuff is great. For a new builds it's the main choice of just about everyone. But you already have good stuff. Change? That's purely money spent for satisfaction without any real reward. If it makes you happy, that's all that counts.
Willie
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There isn't any real inadequacy in your existing setup.
Thus:
There isn't any real gain to be had by changing anything.
The rest is just cosmetics. Do you want to look more tacti-cool? Knock yourself out. It's like your socks: It might make you feel better to have ones of a different color than before, but... you're the only one that will notice.
Magpul stuff is great. For a new builds it's the main choice of just about everyone. But you already have good stuff. Change? That's purely money spent for satisfaction without any real reward. If it makes you happy, that's all that counts.
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Big D
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I was mainly thinking of changing the rear stock with a Magpul MOE.
Theohazard
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For me, the main advantage to changing out the stock is to get a tighter fit to the buffer tube. The standard stock (the one you have now) tends to pull out my facial hair, while most aftermarket stocks don't because they fit tighter. Also, many aftermarket stocks have a sling QD attachment, but many of them put the QD attachment too low in my opinion, which tends to cause the top of the rifle to tilt away from you. The best way to attach a 2-point sling to most stocks is like you have yours: through the loop in the top.
The main advantage of changing the pistol grip is getting rid of the finger bump (it always gets in my way) and giving yourself some storage in the grip. But you can just cut off the finger bump and get a plug to add to your existing grip.
The only real inadequacy I can see is with your sling setup. You have your sling attached to the top of your stock, so I'm guessing you're going for a 2-point sling setup that allows you to carry the rifle across your chest. But the sling attachment at the front should be at the side of the rife near the top; the way you have it now, the top of the rifle will be canted away from you and will aim the magazine towards you, and that can be painful if it hits you in the right place
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An MOE handguard will let you attach a sling attachment point at the right spot, but you don't necessarily need a new handguard for that, they make sling attachments that fit on the side of the front sight.
The main advantage of changing the pistol grip is getting rid of the finger bump (it always gets in my way) and giving yourself some storage in the grip. But you can just cut off the finger bump and get a plug to add to your existing grip.
The only real inadequacy I can see is with your sling setup. You have your sling attached to the top of your stock, so I'm guessing you're going for a 2-point sling setup that allows you to carry the rifle across your chest. But the sling attachment at the front should be at the side of the rife near the top; the way you have it now, the top of the rifle will be canted away from you and will aim the magazine towards you, and that can be painful if it hits you in the right place
.An MOE handguard will let you attach a sling attachment point at the right spot, but you don't necessarily need a new handguard for that, they make sling attachments that fit on the side of the front sight.
jakk280rem
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I'm kinda with the others. Except for the universally hated A2 grip, the magpul furniture won't gain you anything except a lighter wallet.
put an a2 buffer tube on it and a boyds stock
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/searchm.htm?type=merged&searcht=AR-15
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/searchm.htm?type=merged&searcht=AR-15
maxxhavoc
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I put the MOE set on my 9mm AR when I built it, just so it stood out from my .223 stuff.
I find it much more comfortable to hold and shoot, especially the handguard. The least benefit is the buttstock. Other than the very good lever mechanism for adjusting the stock, it is "meh." I prefer a sling attachment at the bottom of the buttstock, and the MOE doesn't have that.
Personally, I think it just fits better in the hands.
I find it much more comfortable to hold and shoot, especially the handguard. The least benefit is the buttstock. Other than the very good lever mechanism for adjusting the stock, it is "meh." I prefer a sling attachment at the bottom of the buttstock, and the MOE doesn't have that.
Personally, I think it just fits better in the hands.
Ibmikey
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Magpul ctr stock has a lock to take out most "wobble". The MOE plus grip has a rubber coating and is hands above the A2, they are now making a handguard that extends beyond the front sight tower and looks kind'a nice. Magpul equipment is well worth what you will spend when you begin shooting.
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Your AR is almost exactly like mine was/is. Midlength gas, Troy rear sight, M4 stock, etc.
Over time, I changed out the pistol grip and installed an A1 buttstock (and the parts to convert it from the M4 to a fixed stock).
I like the style of Magpul products, but I just chose a different path as shown here. http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=9561396&postcount=321
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Rittmeister
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I like the MOE forend. I also like the original MOE pistol grip. I have both plus a standard MOE stock on a rifle I built - I had to purchase parts so these are what I chose.
I prefer the Magpul forend over the original-style that you've got (it's slimmer and more comfortable to me), and I like the MOE grip MUCH better than the A2 grip, but the stock is a wash IMO. The MOE doesn't offer any functionality over the original carbine stock.
However, like others have said, the MOE stuff offers no "real" advantage over what you've got. I'll go one better though - if you want it, because you like the look or feel better than what's currently on your gun, then go for it! What's the point of life if you can't make changes you enjoy?
I prefer the Magpul forend over the original-style that you've got (it's slimmer and more comfortable to me), and I like the MOE grip MUCH better than the A2 grip, but the stock is a wash IMO. The MOE doesn't offer any functionality over the original carbine stock.
However, like others have said, the MOE stuff offers no "real" advantage over what you've got. I'll go one better though - if you want it, because you like the look or feel better than what's currently on your gun, then go for it! What's the point of life if you can't make changes you enjoy?
Tommygunn
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I guess I'm one of the silly ones that put the Magpul forend on my Bushmaster M4orgery since I like it so much better than the standard forend. It "holds" better than the tubular forend as well.
I have a Colt M4orgery which I left alone as it has well made quad rails, so I put a Magpul VFG on it, and that works fine too.
I have a Colt M4orgery which I left alone as it has well made quad rails, so I put a Magpul VFG on it, and that works fine too.
FrankCastleThePunisher
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I'm another silly one that put Magpul ACS stock, Magpul pistol grip, and Magpul handguards with Magpul vertical grip all in OD green color on my S&W 15 Sport. Put what you want to on your rifle if that's what you want to do.
I went with the Magpul ACS-L instead of their standard MOE stock. It gives me a better cheek weld and has less movement than the standard type one. I also used their MOE+ pistol grip. I like the softer, grippier texture it has.
1911 guy
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I'm sold on the MagPul handguards.
I find the A2 pistol grip manageable so I stick with it. My next build may have a MagPul just to try it. Maybe I'll come back one day and say I find noticeable improvement, maybe not.
As for stocks, I prefer a fixed due to consistent cheek weld, but also see (and have one) the advantage in the shorter length of a M4 style. The only real advantage I find in sling attachment is the ability to replace the standard latch plate with one that has a sling mount for single point use when wanted.
Having said all that, my limited experience with MagPul stuff has been that it meets or exceeds the quality and usefulness of OEM stuff and you won't be disappointed with the quality if you do replace everything with MagPul.
For a lot of us, these rifles are "project guns" that we like to tinker with. Nothing wrong with that. It's a hobby, after all. Kind of like a car that runs well, but there's always that "one more thing".
I find the A2 pistol grip manageable so I stick with it. My next build may have a MagPul just to try it. Maybe I'll come back one day and say I find noticeable improvement, maybe not.
As for stocks, I prefer a fixed due to consistent cheek weld, but also see (and have one) the advantage in the shorter length of a M4 style. The only real advantage I find in sling attachment is the ability to replace the standard latch plate with one that has a sling mount for single point use when wanted.
Having said all that, my limited experience with MagPul stuff has been that it meets or exceeds the quality and usefulness of OEM stuff and you won't be disappointed with the quality if you do replace everything with MagPul.
For a lot of us, these rifles are "project guns" that we like to tinker with. Nothing wrong with that. It's a hobby, after all. Kind of like a car that runs well, but there's always that "one more thing".
The finger bump on the A2 grip hurts my knuckle and can intrude on my concentration when making a shot. There's no question it would be the first thing to go. I've tried and really like the MagPul MAID and MOE grips but the one I find the most comfortable for carbine use is the MagPul MOE K2.
I find the MagPul CTR with the thicker butt pad to be more comfortable than the M4 buttstock. I also like that it comes with the QD cups. In fact, I find just about any aftermarket replacement stock more comfortable to use than the M4 stock. I can shoot a 5.56 AR equipped with an M4 stock without complaint but it's painful when shooting a heavier recoiling caliber.
MOE handguards are a significant improvement over the round ones. They are grippier, fit the hand better and the little bit of extra length lets the shooter stretch out a little more, if needed.
While MagPul furniture isn't needed to successfully run a carbine, it does make it better and it's rugged. MagPul isn't the only game in town but it's what I have hands on experience with
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I find the MagPul CTR with the thicker butt pad to be more comfortable than the M4 buttstock. I also like that it comes with the QD cups. In fact, I find just about any aftermarket replacement stock more comfortable to use than the M4 stock. I can shoot a 5.56 AR equipped with an M4 stock without complaint but it's painful when shooting a heavier recoiling caliber.
MOE handguards are a significant improvement over the round ones. They are grippier, fit the hand better and the little bit of extra length lets the shooter stretch out a little more, if needed.
While MagPul furniture isn't needed to successfully run a carbine, it does make it better and it's rugged. MagPul isn't the only game in town but it's what I have hands on experience with
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Big D
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I've heard the old style M4 stocks are more fragile than Magpul and other current manufacture stocks. But it seems the military continues to use the same old stocks on their M4's. I'm more of an old school classic look kinda guy. If I would have thought about it before I bought my PSA (which I love), I would have just gone with an Olympic Arms Plinker Plus 16" or 20" rifle. Just like the simple, carry handle sight uppers. Anyone know what I could get out of my PSA middy if I were to choose to sell it and get a Plinker Plus model?
jakk280rem
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If you like the carry handle sight then put a carry handle on yours. The AR market is very soft. You'll do better keeping what you got a buying an upper you like. It only takes 2 minutes to change out a complete set of furniture and it's cheap. Just injection molded plastic.
You would probably lose less money and wind up with a better gun buying this instead
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Carry-Handle-BCM-p/bcm carry handle ar-15.htm
maxxhavoc
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Well, you can buy a new stainless barrel middy for $549, non-stainless go on sale for $499 occasionally - these are brand new prices.
I would say keep the PSA, I would rather own one of theirs than an Olympic. I would just get an A2 style carry handle, throw it on your upper rail, and be done with it. Resale value on ARs is really low these days, at least around here. I have 2 DPMS handles, and I cannot complain about them. There are cheaper ones out there, but I can't speak to the quality of them.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/ar-15-detachable-carry-handle-prod5567.aspx
dprice3844444
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http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/ar15carryhandle5thgeneration.aspx maxx,same part,much cheaper
Zach S
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I use the M4 stock, A2 grip with the bump sanded off, the aluminum Magpul trigger guard that predates MOE, and the MOE handguard.
The MOE HG is a lot tougher than the A2 rifle HGs I've used in the past. My only complaint is the slots don't run the length of it as the do with the midlength and carbine, I mount my sling a little forward of the bbl nut.
It replaced a quad rail that had all kinds of slots to chew up my hand when I didn't have covers, be as ergonomic as a 2x4 with low profile covers, or be to big for my hand when I had covers. It also made the rifle front heavy, while providing a mount for my VFG, light, and sling loop... I really like the smooth, streamlined, light, and tough MOE HGs.
If you want an ol' skool look with a KISS approach, check out CNCGuns.com and see if Justin has any A1 carry handles.
I would not get rid of the PSA for an Olympic. I have never held a PSA. I own an Olympic .45 upper that needed a few fixes. Ironically, I put it on a billet lower...
The MOE HG is a lot tougher than the A2 rifle HGs I've used in the past. My only complaint is the slots don't run the length of it as the do with the midlength and carbine, I mount my sling a little forward of the bbl nut.
It replaced a quad rail that had all kinds of slots to chew up my hand when I didn't have covers, be as ergonomic as a 2x4 with low profile covers, or be to big for my hand when I had covers. It also made the rifle front heavy, while providing a mount for my VFG, light, and sling loop... I really like the smooth, streamlined, light, and tough MOE HGs.
If you want an ol' skool look with a KISS approach, check out CNCGuns.com and see if Justin has any A1 carry handles.
I would not get rid of the PSA for an Olympic. I have never held a PSA. I own an Olympic .45 upper that needed a few fixes. Ironically, I put it on a billet lower...
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