AR15 optics - just read the ACOG thread below - in a quandry

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I have been debating between an EOTech and an AimPoint. Just read the ACOG thread, and I am now seriously considering investing or trading for the ACOG. A 20" AR15 used for CQB, 3 gun competition and 300 yard shots (max) will be "mission specs" for the rifle. Will the ACOG fit the bill?

With the EOTech and the AimPoint, I know you must purchase the 3X or 4X to add to the set up. Takes you to the cost of the ACOG.

Not having the practical knowledge of the difference between the optics, can the folks out there with their fingers on the trigger explain why the ACOG is worth the $$? Differences in the models? Your favorite and why? ETC. I am wanting a CQB scope that can double with the ability to hit accurately at 300yards (if that is possible).

If I am showing my ignorance of optics, my apologies. I am in a constant state of learning. Have a lot to learn!

Thanks for the input.

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The brand new Elcan is suppose to be capable of being used as a red dot and can also have magnification as well. Also, you can get magnifiers for the Aimpoint as well.

I love my ACOG, but indoors it is not very useful.
 
Thanks RMT

Thanks RockyMountaingTactical. I need to get my eye through several of these scopes and do some shooting. Have heard good things about the Elcan, as well. Also pricey, but apparently excellent.
 
what 3gun match are you shooting around huntsville? the steel city one in birmingham? if you go to that one, you'll see folks with every one of the optics you mentioned. I'm sure they'd let you look through one.
 
My response just got wiped out thanks to login being dropped. Wonderful.

I run a TA45-2 1.5 compact ACOG on my M4gery. I use it close and fast and can ding tgts. out to 300. After 20 months and 2K rounds, I flat love it. It's on the fixed carry handle, has great head position, eye relief, is small, and light. KISS to the tenth power, in my book. The same basic compact model is out there in 2 and 3X. Tradeoffs will exist.

This unit is very fast close in, and I have used it in dim light to dark. The reticle is always there. Target id can be an issue as per normal. No batteries.

Am putting a 3 X 30X TA33 on the M1A. Not done getting the Smith Ent. mount tweaked for it but it should be just what I expected and wanted.

They are a lot of bang for the buck. I am hard to please, but I cannot think of anything better. Trijicon earned their money when they built these.

If you want more detail or photos you can PM me.

Hope this thing goes through this time. Hate to waste all those composition skills because I got unlogged.
 
I use a TA11 and love it; but close-in the Aimpoint or Eotech is going to be faster and if the max distance is 300yds, both of those sights still work just fine at that distance.

The main advantage to the ACOG is if you need a little help acquiring the targets (poor vision, camoflauged or small targets, targets obscured by brush) or if you need good positive target ID at the longer ranges.
 
In my opinion the Aimpoint or Eotech are better purchases than the ACOG. Here's why:

The ACOG gives you outstanding reticle and 4x magnification which can be utilized in low light or normal conditions without the need for batteries. However, in close quarters it would prove less than desirable.

An Eotech/Aimpoint red dot can be used in close quarters with a 1x optical red dot, but you have capability of using a flip-to-side mount for a magnifier should you desire one. The combined price of both the magnifier and red dot would be in the neighborhood of the ACOG, but it gives you the CQB option. Plus, with a FTS mount you can utilize back up iron sights without having to take anything off your rifle.
 
I have an ACOG Reflex on my AR.

It's a non magnifying amber dot optical sight. It runs on tritium and fiber optics. No batteries. It is acurate out to 300 yrds if you are but it is not a precision piece of equipment at that range.

Think minute of pie plate at 300 yrds.
 
If 3-gun and 300-yard shots are in your plan, the ACOG is a better choice. While it is possible to hit mid-size targets* out to 300 yards with a 1x red dot, it's much easier with some magnification.

I've used the flip-mount magnifier with an Aimpoint CompM3, and didn't like it at all. The ACOG TA11 has a BDC reticle, which is useful out at 300 yards, and a much better field of view.

* - 8" plates at 300 yards are a good accuracy-standard rule of thumb for 3-gun. Whatever you are using, you need to be able to hit 8" plates at 300 yards.

- Chris
 
We are using Aimpoint ML2's or ACOG's. Son has a TA31 on one of his M4'gery's and will be adding a TA01 for his 20" build. The 4X works well at close range. I use a Nikkon 1.5X4.5 Scope on my 3-gun rifle. Shots from 5 feet to 275 yards.
 
Sorry I have not been here to get all this until today.

One on the kids in my youth group had a real tragedy happen to them. Have been with her and her extended family for a couple of days.

I appreciate the input. I have seen a reflexive sight that attaches to the top of the ACOG. I think someone mentioned that. Can it be used to deal with close shots, or does the transition between the two (or simply trying to get a fix on one or the other) make the set ineffective?

I need to get my eyeballs behind these scopes.

taliv, I do not know of any 3 gun matches in Huntsville, but I think the city of Madison, AL has a couple the major range where I shoot. Heard of it about 5 months ago from some SWAT guys (let me shoot their select fire MP5's - so cool - felt like Starsky and Hutch). If you have info on the Birmingham shoot, let me know.

Thanks again. I think I will probably be looking at an Elcan, as well. Sounds like a magnifier is usable with it. Like I said, need to get eyes behind the glass.

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The brand new Elcan is suppose to be capable of being used as a red dot and can also have magnification as well. Also, you can get magnifiers for the Aimpoint as well.
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Elcan Spectre looks cool, but I've yet to see anyone stock them. Some websites list them, but they're not on the shelves (last I checked).
 
in a 'personal experience' sense, after using all 3 in theatre, i'd go with ACOG hands down (i may get flak for this). i say NO to the EOTech, because the batteries go quick. AIMPOINT will burn the same battery for years and will need to be replaced less than the timing belt on your car, but at distances over 200 meters, the red dot can only do so much. i carried an ACOG for the majority of my time in the desert, and i swear by my life on it. with the chevron reticle and bullet drop markings, you have the unequalled benefit of precision at long distance, what you wont get with a red dot. my ACOG was beat to hell and back and still held its zero for the whole year. go with the big bucks and you will never regret it as long as you keep feeding that weapon. for CQB the AIMPOINT will get you where you need to be if youre inexperienced at just aiming with the muzzle, but if you have a good AR, use it to its full potential as a sharp shooting rifle and spend the extra $ for the trijicon side of the house.
 
If you you want a compromise between both something like the Millet DMS-1 might be something to look at it is a 1x - 4x power illuminated scope for about $250. I am ordering one for my Robinson Arms XCR and will post a review of it when it comes in
 
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