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Are Any Firearm Manfacturers Your Not Fond Of ?
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hometheaterman
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I'm kind of surprised to see soo many guys that don't like Rugers. All of the ones I've ever used have been great. Usually at a pretty good price too. The only thing bad I've ever seen with them is the accuracy with some. While not horrible not great either. Others have been very accurate.
Why do you guys not like them so much?
Why do you guys not like them so much?
Gunnerpalace
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Google Ruger Letter or Ruger AWB.
In their defense they have gone back on a lot of policies, and now sell 30rd magazines for the Mini-14
The Makarov's look Russian- I'm not sure if those would have been importable. Same with the TT's (which would have needed modification to be importable). I also know that several other Eastern European countries have joined more industrial countries in adopting policies against selling surplus weapons, to prevent furthering conflicts and genocide in the third world.
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I dislike Taurus, because too much slips by their QC.
But it's hard to hate Taurus, because they are so innovative and make a lot of cool stuff.
I dislike Glock because their guns are overpriced.
But it's hard to hate Glock because their products generally work without any major issues. (for the most part)
I dislike Kimber because their guns are way overpriced.
But it's hard to hate Kimber because of Series II pistols, oh ya that's also why I hate Kimber, that and because they made the first 1911's with metal injection molded parts, ya I hate Kimber they and their customer dis-service. And also the crappy mags they ship with their 1911s. I hope they've changed vendors, but the ones they used to pack were real recycle bin material.
Their slides and frames are pretty solid and are good fodder for a custom gun though if you can get ahold of a parts gun for cheap.
But it's hard to hate Taurus, because they are so innovative and make a lot of cool stuff.
I dislike Glock because their guns are overpriced.
But it's hard to hate Glock because their products generally work without any major issues. (for the most part)
I dislike Kimber because their guns are way overpriced.
But it's hard to hate Kimber because of Series II pistols, oh ya that's also why I hate Kimber, that and because they made the first 1911's with metal injection molded parts, ya I hate Kimber they and their customer dis-service. And also the crappy mags they ship with their 1911s. I hope they've changed vendors, but the ones they used to pack were real recycle bin material.
Their slides and frames are pretty solid and are good fodder for a custom gun though if you can get ahold of a parts gun for cheap.
gvnwst
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For me, it is not the politics, all the rugers i have gotton my hands on were innaccurate, felt bad, and had quality control issues. Oh, and their pathetic sights.... The grip designs on the MK pistol series feel like 1x1s. (on the 10/22, overpriced, innaccurate, horrible trigger, but the design is good. Just not the people who make it)
In my cabinets are everything from Hi point to Marlin.
I don't dislike any particular manufacturer, as I've never had any trouble with my pistols or rifles other than the occasional spring that needed replacing.
Perhaps I'm too laid back about what I expect from my firearms, but every gun I've ever had has gone bang when I pull the trigger.
Except for that one squib load, or broken spring, but both were my fault.
I don't dislike any particular manufacturer, as I've never had any trouble with my pistols or rifles other than the occasional spring that needed replacing.
Perhaps I'm too laid back about what I expect from my firearms, but every gun I've ever had has gone bang when I pull the trigger.
Except for that one squib load, or broken spring, but both were my fault.
HK... because they hate me (and you).
I had a really bad customer service experience with Glock, but I think I only hate the guy I dealt with, who claimed he was the CS manager. Basically, I got a post ban magazine that said "For Law Enforcement Only" or something to that effect as the mag that came with a new Glock purchase (brand new in box). Additionally, the magazine had a very weak spring and something just didn't seem right. I called CS and explained that I was concerned both about the marking and the weak spring. The guy at Glock gave me a really hard time and argued with me, going so far at one point as to more or less call me "stupid". Eventually, they swapped the mag out after about an hour on the phone with them.
On the other hand, I've had a great customer service experience with Glock as well where I was trying to figure out how to get the base pad off of a magazine (this was with my first Glock years ago). The guy (different guy) explained how to do it and at one point told me to use a mallet. I told him I was worried it would break. He told me that if it broke he'd send me a new one free of charge. That was customer service!
That's why I say that I really only hate that one guy who was fairly nasty to me.
Other than that, I hate Wilson Combat... but not for any rational reason. It's just because i can't afford a damn thing they make. lol
I had a really bad customer service experience with Glock, but I think I only hate the guy I dealt with, who claimed he was the CS manager. Basically, I got a post ban magazine that said "For Law Enforcement Only" or something to that effect as the mag that came with a new Glock purchase (brand new in box). Additionally, the magazine had a very weak spring and something just didn't seem right. I called CS and explained that I was concerned both about the marking and the weak spring. The guy at Glock gave me a really hard time and argued with me, going so far at one point as to more or less call me "stupid". Eventually, they swapped the mag out after about an hour on the phone with them.
On the other hand, I've had a great customer service experience with Glock as well where I was trying to figure out how to get the base pad off of a magazine (this was with my first Glock years ago). The guy (different guy) explained how to do it and at one point told me to use a mallet. I told him I was worried it would break. He told me that if it broke he'd send me a new one free of charge. That was customer service!
That's why I say that I really only hate that one guy who was fairly nasty to me.
Other than that, I hate Wilson Combat... but not for any rational reason. It's just because i can't afford a damn thing they make. lol
JR47
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Certainly that explains how Ruger has sold so many of the firearms. According to the NSSF Bullet Points, they announced a 55% increase in sales volume for the first-quarter of 2009.
You must be one unlucky person if what you posted is true. A couple of million others haven't experienced anything even remotely like yours.
atblis
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LCP maybe?
It's interesting that gun owners love HK and hate Hi Point ...
Because HK hates gun owners, whereas Hi Point actually is quite fond of us.
Heck, using my Hi Point I outshot most of the people in my last handgun course who were using Glocks, Smith's, and the sort.
Buying an expensive gun will not make you a better shooter, and buying an inexpensive gun should not make you a worse shot! A skilled shooter should be able to do well with any firearm. And likewise any firearms expert should be able to work almost any firearm into being a highly reliable tool.
Because HK hates gun owners, whereas Hi Point actually is quite fond of us.
Heck, using my Hi Point I outshot most of the people in my last handgun course who were using Glocks, Smith's, and the sort.
Buying an expensive gun will not make you a better shooter, and buying an inexpensive gun should not make you a worse shot! A skilled shooter should be able to do well with any firearm. And likewise any firearms expert should be able to work almost any firearm into being a highly reliable tool.
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I'm personally not to fond of Century Arms. For years they're WASR rifles (this is post-ban) were junk. Most home-made receivers I've seen are above Century Arms quality. I won't comment on their recent WASR's. There are a few down at Show me that do not have any magazine wobble, and feel solid enough.
Another manufacturer I'm not fond of is Ruger. I know a lot of guys love Ruger products, but Bill Ruger's limiting us to ten round magazines and giving Hollywood the big thirty-round magazines for movies and for stunts reeked of elitism.
I'm also a little hard on S&W Sigma pistols. "Swock" seems to be a well-deserved name, they look and feel, even recoil, like a Glock. At least try and make a new product S&W, don't just copy-and-paste.
Products I LOVE:
Kel-Tec, all of their products are not only top-notch in terms of quality but they refuse to buckle under trends and continue to try and produce new and interesting designs.
Remington. If anyone has ever held a poor-quality Remington Rifle or Shotgun, speak now, or otherwise I'll continue to believe such a thing doesn't exist.
Another manufacturer I'm not fond of is Ruger. I know a lot of guys love Ruger products, but Bill Ruger's limiting us to ten round magazines and giving Hollywood the big thirty-round magazines for movies and for stunts reeked of elitism.
I'm also a little hard on S&W Sigma pistols. "Swock" seems to be a well-deserved name, they look and feel, even recoil, like a Glock. At least try and make a new product S&W, don't just copy-and-paste.
Products I LOVE:
Kel-Tec, all of their products are not only top-notch in terms of quality but they refuse to buckle under trends and continue to try and produce new and interesting designs.
Remington. If anyone has ever held a poor-quality Remington Rifle or Shotgun, speak now, or otherwise I'll continue to believe such a thing doesn't exist.
China. Maybe it's because I never bought one of their AKs...
I don't like HK. Overpriced guns from a company that hates us.
Don't like Colt much because of how they play with their civilian market when it comes to ARs, but do think they have a nice product.
I don't like HK. Overpriced guns from a company that hates us.
Don't like Colt much because of how they play with their civilian market when it comes to ARs, but do think they have a nice product.
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Like foreign cars I don't buy firearms that aren't made in this country either. Not that they are not well made or operate well it's just that I believe in buying American when ever I can but that's just me.
I dont really hate any companies, though I think whoever designed the sigma should be pistol whipped with everyone that came off the assembly line for making a gun that ugly! I just dont buy unless its made in America with American parts. Remember springer owners your guns are made from parts overseas, no winchester guns for me as well they are owned by F.N.
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I don't like Rugers because they aren't very good guns. I've owned a dozen or two and don't anymore.
I only had one that was accurate, a 10/22 rifle, and wish I'd saved that one.
But, when a Mini14 with a lifetime guarantee had the bolt blow up in my face (thank the lord I was wearing shooting glasses) Ruger not only refused to cover it in any way, but told me that if I wanted another one I'd have to buy it.
How about that? They risk my life and then want me to give them more money.
And, when I tried once to shoot a Ruger auto upside down during an IDPA match (lying on my back and shooting over my head) it jammed on every round. As did every other Ruger that day. There was a rush to trade in Rugers during the next month and there wasn't a single one at the next IDPA match.
I haven't seen a Ruger in a pistol match in years. There is a reason for that. They are not accurate enough and reliable enough to use in matches. Competitors want to win.
Taurus is not innovative. Taurus copies what other makers do and twists a few variations together and then thumps its chest going "Look what we did!"
On the subject of Brazilian guns, I've seen more Springfields fail during IDPA matches than all other brands combined over the last decade. I know, I'm the RO and I have to clear them.
The last failure at an IDPA match was a Springer and so was the one before it.
Springers may be alright when you are target shooting or plinking, but put them in a situation where multiple times a day they are rattling off strings of 10 to 20 rounds at a rate of a round a second and pfft.
These days I'm shooting an EAA Witness that costs less than 95 percent of all SA models. It has performed flawlessly for a year and a half in IDPA matches. I've shot it in about 20 matches and posted more than 12 wins (I know because I won the first 12 I shot with it).
Smith & Wesson may have turned traitor years ago, but it really doesn't matter what a company did more than a decade ago. What matters is that every S&W revolver I've ever picked up or seen works right and is accurate. Even my 90+ year-old model 1917. I wouldn't own one of their autos long enough to sell it, but their revolvers are the standard to which others are compared.
HK's politics suck and their guns are no better than Glocks. They are incredibly overpriced and overrated. IMHO, the only people who carry HKs are ones who want to have the image of "I spent more money on my stock gun than you did."
I spent less on my customized Kimber, Colt, etc., than they did on their stock HK. I am not impressed. At least HKs turn in respectable performances in IDPA..
I only had one that was accurate, a 10/22 rifle, and wish I'd saved that one.
But, when a Mini14 with a lifetime guarantee had the bolt blow up in my face (thank the lord I was wearing shooting glasses) Ruger not only refused to cover it in any way, but told me that if I wanted another one I'd have to buy it.
How about that? They risk my life and then want me to give them more money.
And, when I tried once to shoot a Ruger auto upside down during an IDPA match (lying on my back and shooting over my head) it jammed on every round. As did every other Ruger that day. There was a rush to trade in Rugers during the next month and there wasn't a single one at the next IDPA match.
I haven't seen a Ruger in a pistol match in years. There is a reason for that. They are not accurate enough and reliable enough to use in matches. Competitors want to win.
Taurus is not innovative. Taurus copies what other makers do and twists a few variations together and then thumps its chest going "Look what we did!"
On the subject of Brazilian guns, I've seen more Springfields fail during IDPA matches than all other brands combined over the last decade. I know, I'm the RO and I have to clear them.
The last failure at an IDPA match was a Springer and so was the one before it.
Springers may be alright when you are target shooting or plinking, but put them in a situation where multiple times a day they are rattling off strings of 10 to 20 rounds at a rate of a round a second and pfft.
These days I'm shooting an EAA Witness that costs less than 95 percent of all SA models. It has performed flawlessly for a year and a half in IDPA matches. I've shot it in about 20 matches and posted more than 12 wins (I know because I won the first 12 I shot with it).
Smith & Wesson may have turned traitor years ago, but it really doesn't matter what a company did more than a decade ago. What matters is that every S&W revolver I've ever picked up or seen works right and is accurate. Even my 90+ year-old model 1917. I wouldn't own one of their autos long enough to sell it, but their revolvers are the standard to which others are compared.
HK's politics suck and their guns are no better than Glocks. They are incredibly overpriced and overrated. IMHO, the only people who carry HKs are ones who want to have the image of "I spent more money on my stock gun than you did."
I spent less on my customized Kimber, Colt, etc., than they did on their stock HK. I am not impressed. At least HKs turn in respectable performances in IDPA..
BelgiqueNut
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S&W Scandium (sp?) .357 Revolver. Cylinder wouldn't turn after firing one round, not matter what brand of ammo; even had trouble opening cylinder after firing. Same with .38 Special ammo.
I love my Taurus Titanium CIA Model 850 .38 Special. It's had several hundred rounds through it and is a tack-driver, but my friend bought a Millenium semi-auto 9mm, and the trigger was almost too hard to pull.
S&W Sigma - wouldn't feed more than two rounds of ball ammo without jamming. Feels like a toy.
I don't like any of the Glocks except the Model 36, because the others don't fit my hand or trigger fingers. However, I love my Springfield XD Sub-Compact 9mm tack-driver; it fits my hand perfectly and just feels natural.
Also, I've owned several 3" 1911 pistols by Springfield and Kimber, and none of them worked. The Kimber wouldn't always feed, would double-feed, and wouldn't always extract. Returned under warranty, the factory polished the ramp, installed a new extractor, but it still acted the same, even with Wilson and other high-dollar magazines. Pretty-looking, but I couldn't depend on it. Because of my experience, I could never buy another 3" 1911.
I love my Taurus Titanium CIA Model 850 .38 Special. It's had several hundred rounds through it and is a tack-driver, but my friend bought a Millenium semi-auto 9mm, and the trigger was almost too hard to pull.
S&W Sigma - wouldn't feed more than two rounds of ball ammo without jamming. Feels like a toy.
I don't like any of the Glocks except the Model 36, because the others don't fit my hand or trigger fingers. However, I love my Springfield XD Sub-Compact 9mm tack-driver; it fits my hand perfectly and just feels natural.
Also, I've owned several 3" 1911 pistols by Springfield and Kimber, and none of them worked. The Kimber wouldn't always feed, would double-feed, and wouldn't always extract. Returned under warranty, the factory polished the ramp, installed a new extractor, but it still acted the same, even with Wilson and other high-dollar magazines. Pretty-looking, but I couldn't depend on it. Because of my experience, I could never buy another 3" 1911.
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.cheese., when did you buy this Glock?
Archery Ham
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Because they are expensive:
1) Blaser
2) Steyr
3) Barrett
4) Glock
5) S&W
Because of inaccuracy:
1) Ruger Mini-14
Other than that, I like most firearms.
1) Blaser
2) Steyr
3) Barrett
4) Glock
5) S&W
Because of inaccuracy:
1) Ruger Mini-14
Other than that, I like most firearms.
Nom de Forum
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Kahr because in my opinion the seed from which this company grew was fertilized from ethically ill gotten gains at best and possibly legally ill gotten gains.
flrfh213
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well.... davis industry comes to mind... hi-point makes the list too...
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I would own a Kimber but I wouldn't buy a Kimber. I can say the same about Taurus.
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