What are the current junk guns brands??

[saturno_v]

Everybody is familiar with the Saturday night special, "Ring of Fire" guns of the past....Jennings, Raven, Lorcin, Bryco, etc...

What are the companies that currently produce "junk guns"??

Jimenez for sure and so are the Chiappa 22 LR replicas I handled (1911 and M9)


Can Hi-Points be technically considered junk guns?? They have a Zinc alloy slide but, for all accounts I heard, they seem to work, they are reliable, fairly accurate and have good Customer Service (I never shot one)

 

[Dragon breath]

Cobra and Diamondback come to mind.

 

[Shae1324]

I'm not a fan of Hi Point by any stretch of the imagination, but I recently had some experience with their .45 that changed my mind slightly. I put everything through it but the kitchen sink and not one FTF or FTE in the bunch. And it was really DIRTY when I got it. Bought it for 50 bucks from my brother in law just to do him a solid and thought "what the heck" I'll give it a try. I was very surprised by the performance despite the fact that's it uglier than dog sh$! and that it has such a nasty rap. From what I understand they have made spome improvements on the original designs that help previous feeding issues. I don't consider it junk per se but I certainly wouldn't pick it out of a bunch. Sold it for 100 bucks a couple of days later.

 

[VoodooMountain]

Qc has gone down almost across the board so there are more lemons now than ever (cough cough Remington)


Taurus/Rossi/Heritage comes to mind. Some love them. Others, like me, struck out every time with a lemon.

Different models can also have an effect on what is considered junk. Some companies do certain guns real well.

Hi points don’t count. They work. They’re just heavy, ugly, suck to take down, and are single stack.

 

[Alte Schule]

Pretty much what everyone has said. I'll add Davis as I saw one in .32 ACP explode on the fourth round out of the box. Told the guy when he bought it that it was a POS but he didn't listen.
My experience with Taurus is very negative but my brother had one in .38 Super that was nails.
I bought a Jennings in 22 LR for around $40 in the mid eighties and kept it in my tackle box. It had a few hiccups over the years but I probably shot 2-3 thousand rounds though it. Was clearing an FTF one day when I was out plinking and it literally fell apart.

 

[JONWILL]

Jennings, Davis, Raven are the ones I have had the least luck with. Throw in almost anything made by AMT. 1911’s, Lightning, Backup have always been jam-O-matics for me

 

[Rollis R. Karvellis]

Based on personal experience from the last couple of years these would be my top picks.
Remington model 700 Long Range. Tolerances loser than my ex.
Mossberg MVP less accurate than a Molson Nagant, but a lot more expansive, with lower quility control.
The jury is still out on my S&W M&P sport, but after only 1,200 rounds the trigger group had to be replaced because of the disconnecter would not reset.

Just to be honest the......................oops I just realized this is a post in the handgun section, well if the three firearms mentioned above were handguns then they would be a my top picks. All three companies are not living up to there advertising, and once deserved reputations.

 

[John G C 1]

There is a store near where I live that is big on selling Jiminez pistols. I have seen four people at the range with these and in each case the people were having trouble with the pistol jamming or FTE.

I am no expert but I would seriously be careful about Jiminez.

The store that sells them likes them because they say when people have guns that jam they can send them back for replacement and quickly get a new one.

 

[BigBore44]

A gun that regularly produces FTF, FTE, FTC with different loads is “junk”. Regardless of price or brand.

 

[bannockburn]

BigBore44

A gun that regularly produces FTF, FTE, FTC with different loads is “junk”. Regardless of price or brand.

I second that notion. I have had several pistols from well known manufacturers that just wouldn't run, even after numerous attempts with different ammo, magazines, polishing the feed ramp, and so on.

 

[Riomouse911]

Taurus -Rossi has a on-again, off-again bad rep. IMHO they are like English cars; sometimes you get a good one, sometimes you get a bad one...I have been lucky, I have had three good Taurus handguns and two of three good Rossi 1892 copies (one .38-.357 I had would never feed)... but my Rossi snub .38 had a poorly machined cylinder that would rub the forcing cone and jam after about three shots.

 

[huntsman]

While I avoid buying the low tier guns I do have a P-11 that I got from my son, it has functioned fine but it shoots a foot low at 10 yards. very frustrating because I like the size and weight.

 

[Mn Fats]

Qc has gone down almost across the board so there are more lemons now than ever (cough cough Remington)


Taurus/Rossi/Heritage comes to mind. Some love them. Others, like me, struck out every time with a lemon.

Different models can also have an effect on what is considered junk. Some companies do certain guns real well.

Hi points don’t count. They work. They’re just heavy, ugly, suck to take down, and are single stack.

This is exactly me. Side note- Taurus completely sucks. Hey lets make guns that work sometimes for like half our customers. Then put out a lifetime warranty but be miserable at cs.

 

[entropy]

Glock.
Kidding. I do happen to love my Taurus pistols, however. I wouldn't call Hi-Points junk, every one I've shot or seen being shot at the range was very reliable. They are ugly, heavy, and have a bad safety for carry, though.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

What is sad while thinking about this thread is that, if offered the choice between a HiPoint C9 and a new Remington M51, with no opportunity to test them at the range or on the mountain, I would probably opt for the HiPoint C9, sight unseen, gun untested.

(I am so disappointed the 51 did not work out, and have slight confidence that the Corporation fixed the problems.)

 

[hdwhit]

I've had very good luck with my Taurus PT-111 gen 2. Once I got far enough out on the ladder for the loads to start working the action, I haven't had a failure of any kind with it.

Opposing Counsel on a case I worked recently had a Taurus Judge. She absolutely loved it.

 

[MedWheeler]

I don't think there is a "new ring-of-fire" category in guns. I think the members of the original club, in their current incarnations, still dominate.

All the brands mentioned so far in this thread that are not original "members" produce too many good ones, or too many good models, to be included, in my opinion, which is based on the assumption that the thread topic is about brands, not specific models within a brand.

 

[ms6852]

I bought a Taurus 92f about 35 years ago and still own it. But have not bought anything Taurus since than, no reason other than other brands caught my fancy but my 92f has been flawless. I like it better than the Beretta M9 that was assigned to me. Has quality gone that far down in a matter of decades?

 

[VoodooMountain]

I bought a Taurus 92f about 35 years ago and still own it. But have not bought anything Taurus since than, no reason other than other brands caught my fancy but my 92f has been flawless. I like it better than the Beretta M9 that was assigned to me. Has quality gone that far down in a matter of decades?

The Taurus 92, especially the older ones, are identical to the Beretta 92. For the first few years they were even made by the same employees, same machines and tooling, same building, etc.

It’s the only Taurus that isn’t a Taurus.

 

[ridgerunner1965]

The Taurus 92, especially the older ones, are identical to the Beretta 92. For the first few years they were even made by the same employees, same machines and tooling, same building, etc.

It’s the only Taurus that isn’t a Taurus.

well thank you sir. I have a older Taurus 92. it is a very nice gun and works very well. I always wondered why the quality of manufacture seemed so good!

 

[JBB]

Bought a Raven .25 many years ago that was junk. Had bad luck with a Taurus revolver as well. I bought a Chiappa .22 single action recently that is total junk. Can’t speak to any others that I haven’t handled or shot.

 

[justice06rr]

Taurus usually has a bad rep, but my experience with 4 semiautos have all been positive.

Keltec is a brand I want to like, but after buying a new PF9 that wouldn't fire even the first mag without a malfunction, I consider them a junk brand.

The jury is still out on my S&W M&P sport, but after only 1,200 rounds the trigger group had to be replaced because of the disconnecter would not reset.

Just to be honest the......................oops I just realized this is a post in the handgun section, well if the three firearms mentioned above were handguns then they would be a my top picks. All three companies are not living up to there advertising, and once deserved reputations.

S&W is not exactly a "junk" brand/company. They make decent products and have a long reputation. They might have a few "lemons" so to speak, but that's rare.

In your case, a AR15 disconnect is such a small thing and super easy to replace on your own. I wouldn't even send it back in for warranty work just for that. You can fix that at home in like 5mins if you buy the disconnector.
1200rds is also a good amount of rounds for a firearm, so something breaking at that point would not be surprising (depending on use/abuse and maintenance). The junk guns we're talking about are ones that can't fire are few mags out of the box reliably.

 

[Tiro Finale]

Taurus is the big one. When I think "Taurus", I think "junky burner gun".

Kel-Tec, depending on who you ask. I know people who swear by their sub2ks, but others who have nothing but scorn for anything Kel-Tec.

Hi-point is also a contender, but they are actually fairly good-quality for the price, especially their carbines.

 

[DDDWho]

I must be one of the lucky ones. I have two Taurus hand guns, a 85 revolver and a PT111 G2 semi auto. I could not be happier with either.
I once shot at a ground hog of my back porch at 30-35 yards missing him by just a few inches with the 85. I was amazed at the accuracy of the little snubby.
The G2 has fired a few hundred rounds without a hiccup. Its a fine looking little piece too.

 

[kBob]

Just because......

My son did a CJ class in highschool and the teacher assigned a project about "guns in crime". A lot of the kids just cut and pasted from the internet and most "Crime guns" reported were Glocks......which was of course BS. The Boy looked through some actual studies and found a trend from the last few decades that mentioned the Ring of Fire guns in crimes and had numbers. One Philly study had high numbers on the Davis model 38 a .380 semi auto specifically. When he asked me to help him find some info on these I went to the gun safe and he got more info than he wanted.

Yes those are "custom grips" made by the original owner from the finest old dresser drawers scrap. It does still work, I have actually carried it, and gosh ain't it shiney?


-kBob