Well Magnumdood, try to conceal a rifle or a shotgun. Would that work inside the waistband, appendix, small of back, I can't think of a concealment option that would keep me from walking down the street like an android. As far as accuracy goes, it sounds like you have only internet experience shooting them. I will stick with concealing a handgun.
Are HK's just as reliable as Glocks?
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gc70
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This thread - and its endless iterations at least once a week - is mainly about pumping up the reputation of the gun you own.
Macca38
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I don't own either anymore so I have no reason to support any 'camp' or 'fanclub'. I've shot most variations of both the glock and usp over the years. I have owned a glock model 17, and a usp expert in .40 and been issued many variations to carry.
In a gunfight situation the glock does have less things to accidentally engage/disengage...but the way the safeties are mounted on the usp I never saw it as a problem. I have been in a high stress situation with a handgun, and honestly both would work fine.
On the range, the usp expert outperformed any glock i took onto a range. This may be for any number of reasons, but I found the usp more comfortable, and had a better grip, and seemed to require less cleaning and accrued less 'dirt'...it also never had an feeding issues with any reloads i fed it. The glock was more finicky with loads, and I did have a few stoppages.
If I had to trust my life on one I would choose the usp expert
for range work I would also choose the usp expert
if money was my main concern I'd buy a secondhand usp expert over a glock....and just make sure it functions properly before relying upon it (which you should do with a new gun anyway!)
That said, there is nothing wrong with the glock, it is just more basic. I will buy and recommend what shoots better for me everytime. If the glock shoots better for you though i would say buy the glock.
Everytime a conversation is brought up at the range i go to, about which gun to buy, my answer is the same...shoot them both and buy the one that suits you.
Having carried both the glock and usp, they both had no issues with the abuse they were put through in ordinary duty.
One thing i do know....in a high stress situation you will do what you will do and probably think about it afterwards, if you have not trained for high stress situations until its second nature you probably shouldn't carry a gun to begin with (attending a short course doesn't count...your practice should be regular! preferably every week...and Im not talking about firing a couple of magazines at a target under zero stress)....
so the right gun is the gun that will work best for that person. Just my two cents....extreme tests are useless if the gun doesn't suit the person carrying it....any gun can jam...thats what stoppage drills are for, and most guns can be made to function if your stoppage drills are correct....
the best gun is what works best...i now prefer 1911 style guns, the grip angle is perfect for me.
In a gunfight situation the glock does have less things to accidentally engage/disengage...but the way the safeties are mounted on the usp I never saw it as a problem. I have been in a high stress situation with a handgun, and honestly both would work fine.
On the range, the usp expert outperformed any glock i took onto a range. This may be for any number of reasons, but I found the usp more comfortable, and had a better grip, and seemed to require less cleaning and accrued less 'dirt'...it also never had an feeding issues with any reloads i fed it. The glock was more finicky with loads, and I did have a few stoppages.
If I had to trust my life on one I would choose the usp expert
for range work I would also choose the usp expert
if money was my main concern I'd buy a secondhand usp expert over a glock....and just make sure it functions properly before relying upon it (which you should do with a new gun anyway!)
That said, there is nothing wrong with the glock, it is just more basic. I will buy and recommend what shoots better for me everytime. If the glock shoots better for you though i would say buy the glock.
Everytime a conversation is brought up at the range i go to, about which gun to buy, my answer is the same...shoot them both and buy the one that suits you.
Having carried both the glock and usp, they both had no issues with the abuse they were put through in ordinary duty.
One thing i do know....in a high stress situation you will do what you will do and probably think about it afterwards, if you have not trained for high stress situations until its second nature you probably shouldn't carry a gun to begin with (attending a short course doesn't count...your practice should be regular! preferably every week...and Im not talking about firing a couple of magazines at a target under zero stress)....
so the right gun is the gun that will work best for that person. Just my two cents....extreme tests are useless if the gun doesn't suit the person carrying it....any gun can jam...thats what stoppage drills are for, and most guns can be made to function if your stoppage drills are correct....
the best gun is what works best...i now prefer 1911 style guns, the grip angle is perfect for me.
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**Sorry. I edited this because a few sentences didn't read very well...**
You know that Glocks are "bullet proof", because of torture tests posted online? Has it ever occured to you that these accounts could have easily been falsified? Let's face it, these torture tests sell guns.
Gunwriters, fans of a particular brand, company reps, or even forum members approached by company reps to conduct these torture tests are not exactly unbiased parties. I would love it if people would think a little before they accept everything that they read about as being factual. I suspect that many of these reports are BS. They are designed to either prove that my gun is better than yours or they are designed to sell guns. Either way, there is a built in bias in all of these tests. Even if the reports are true, there are no guarantees that your gun would hold up as well.
I remember laughing at the XD torture test. If you haven't seen it, a gun writer replicates the Glock torture test and is not able to induce a malfunction. The message of this article is that because the XD stood up to this abuse, that the you can trust the brand. I wonder who paid for the $5,000+ of ammo used in this test? Hmmm... A funny thing happened when I rented an XD, it had a FTE about half way through the first magazine. I was trying to induce a malfunction and was successful about 7 rounds into my first box of ammo. I could have saved this guy a lot of money, but my guess is that he had another agenda. So much for torture tests. I don't believe any of them. I like Glocks and XDs, so don't accuse me of trying to bash either brand. In spite of my experience with the XD, I still hope to buy an XD45 compact, some day. I also wouldn't mind getting a Glock 19 or a Glock 26. I like both brands, but I don't think that either brand is perfect.
I also love it when people cite how glocks only have 34 parts. I smile every time I see that. You always hear people make the argument that Glocks are the most reliable autoloader because they are *sooooo* simple. Maybe people should actually research this claim before making this statement. Glock claims that there are only 34 parts used in their guns. What they don't mention is that some of those "parts" are actually assemblies consisting of a number of individual components. Maybe it would be better to look at the "unbiased" schematics at Brownell's than trust the Glock marketing machine. Funny how those 34 parts actually turn into 46 parts when *most* of these assemblies are broken down to their individual parts. Look at the trigger assembly. If you count the components there, you have even more than 46 parts. Glock creates the illusion of simplicity by the way they count the parts. Other companies usually count the individual components and not the number of assemblies.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models_17___39
Now look at the Springfield XD.
http://www.pistolgear.com/springfieldxd.php
So which gun is more simple? According to this schematic, the XD actually has fewer parts than the Glock. Oops!!! I guess XDs are more reliable, because they are simpler. Right? There are other polymer pistols like the M&P and the p250 which have about the same number of parts. In spite of these facts, the Glock fans will still rip on other "more complicated" guns.
Be an informed consumer and stop believing everything that gun companies, gun writers, and overly passionate gun fans have to say. Research and test the guns and hope for the best.
You know that Glocks are "bullet proof", because of torture tests posted online? Has it ever occured to you that these accounts could have easily been falsified? Let's face it, these torture tests sell guns.
Gunwriters, fans of a particular brand, company reps, or even forum members approached by company reps to conduct these torture tests are not exactly unbiased parties. I would love it if people would think a little before they accept everything that they read about as being factual. I suspect that many of these reports are BS. They are designed to either prove that my gun is better than yours or they are designed to sell guns. Either way, there is a built in bias in all of these tests. Even if the reports are true, there are no guarantees that your gun would hold up as well.
I remember laughing at the XD torture test. If you haven't seen it, a gun writer replicates the Glock torture test and is not able to induce a malfunction. The message of this article is that because the XD stood up to this abuse, that the you can trust the brand. I wonder who paid for the $5,000+ of ammo used in this test? Hmmm... A funny thing happened when I rented an XD, it had a FTE about half way through the first magazine. I was trying to induce a malfunction and was successful about 7 rounds into my first box of ammo. I could have saved this guy a lot of money, but my guess is that he had another agenda. So much for torture tests. I don't believe any of them. I like Glocks and XDs, so don't accuse me of trying to bash either brand. In spite of my experience with the XD, I still hope to buy an XD45 compact, some day. I also wouldn't mind getting a Glock 19 or a Glock 26. I like both brands, but I don't think that either brand is perfect.
I also love it when people cite how glocks only have 34 parts. I smile every time I see that. You always hear people make the argument that Glocks are the most reliable autoloader because they are *sooooo* simple. Maybe people should actually research this claim before making this statement. Glock claims that there are only 34 parts used in their guns. What they don't mention is that some of those "parts" are actually assemblies consisting of a number of individual components. Maybe it would be better to look at the "unbiased" schematics at Brownell's than trust the Glock marketing machine. Funny how those 34 parts actually turn into 46 parts when *most* of these assemblies are broken down to their individual parts. Look at the trigger assembly. If you count the components there, you have even more than 46 parts. Glock creates the illusion of simplicity by the way they count the parts. Other companies usually count the individual components and not the number of assemblies.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models_17___39
Now look at the Springfield XD.
http://www.pistolgear.com/springfieldxd.php
So which gun is more simple? According to this schematic, the XD actually has fewer parts than the Glock. Oops!!! I guess XDs are more reliable, because they are simpler. Right? There are other polymer pistols like the M&P and the p250 which have about the same number of parts. In spite of these facts, the Glock fans will still rip on other "more complicated" guns.
Be an informed consumer and stop believing everything that gun companies, gun writers, and overly passionate gun fans have to say. Research and test the guns and hope for the best.
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jad0110
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True.
Though if material / assembly / design quality are all good, the # of parts is not really all that meaningful, IMO.
If # of parts/components were significant in determining reliability, by itself, then a Ford Fairmont should be more reliable than my '06 Avalon.
I must defer to post # 17, which is about the "truthiest" post I've seen on THR:
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I don't think so. But would the differences be that big? Probably not...
HK and Glock will do the same thing.
Glock costs a lot less. Parts costs a lot less. Magazines costs a lot less.
Glocks weigh less. Glocks have better triggers. I know people may argue with the last statement, but the HK double-action trigger is a workout.
I don't want to spend an extra few hundred bucks on something that has no functional benefit.
Glock costs a lot less. Parts costs a lot less. Magazines costs a lot less.
Glocks weigh less. Glocks have better triggers. I know people may argue with the last statement, but the HK double-action trigger is a workout.
I don't want to spend an extra few hundred bucks on something that has no functional benefit.
solvability
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For what it is worth - with some effort you can get a better trigger on the Glock than the HK. A lot of what has been discussed is durability rather than reliability. I suspect that the Glock is more durable and certainly cheaper to fix when there is parts break.
But, properly serviced - they are both plenty reliable. I put the Sigs in the same category - reliable but not as durable as a Glock.
I prefer a Glock for IDPA and a Sig to carry, generally. The worked over Glock trigger is very nice and beats the heck out of a double action first shot - the reset on the Glock can be very fast. Hks are mechanical marvels and a technological triumph - Glocks are a triumph of value engineering.
But, properly serviced - they are both plenty reliable. I put the Sigs in the same category - reliable but not as durable as a Glock.
I prefer a Glock for IDPA and a Sig to carry, generally. The worked over Glock trigger is very nice and beats the heck out of a double action first shot - the reset on the Glock can be very fast. Hks are mechanical marvels and a technological triumph - Glocks are a triumph of value engineering.
DougDubya
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Which is why many carry their HK's locked and cocked.
Then you get a lighter trigger and an off switch in the same package.
The Glock torture test are a marketing ploy, ignore them. They show their product completing a bunch of ridiculous tests then they leave it to you to assume that no other gun can do the same thing. The CONSPICUOUSLY omit having head to head tests with H&K, SIG, Beretta, etc......The fact is a Keltec could probably pass 99% of the same tests.
Here is a good example, I've heard Glock guys say Glocks are best because they will fire under water. Thats stupid, most guns fire just fine under water too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oh4KHnBB4U&NR=1
Go on Youtube. There are a lot of HK torture tests.
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SCBradley
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You're saying that Glocks will choke on a combination of crappy ammo and known out of spec aftermarket mags that Glock never intended you to use?
That's in no way a fair comparison.
wow, how many have you seen shoot themselves with a glock?I've seen too many accidently shot themselves w/a glock. I'll stick with my H&K usp .45
DERGLOCKINMEISTER
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Glocks vs etc.
CARRY WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO BET YOUR LIFE ON. As long as it goes bang when it is supposed to and only then , does it matter . All the rest is posturing and personal opinion .
CARRY WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO BET YOUR LIFE ON. As long as it goes bang when it is supposed to and only then , does it matter . All the rest is posturing and personal opinion .
He probably saw videos online. There are plenty of these floating around.
I already threw in my 2 cents earlier in this thread, based on my experience with owning both. However, SHusky57's comment that "HK and Glock will do the same thing" kinda bothered me because once again price was used to defend the Glock. I promise you, when it comes down to it, H&K makes a MORE reliable pistol out of the box than Glock does. If you buy 100 USPs and 100 Glocks (both 9mm just to give the benefit of the doubt to Glock), and ran 100 rounds through each of them straight out of the box, I'd be willing to bet that H&K will prove to be more reliable.
Once again, Glocks are great guns for the money, but aren't on the same level of quality and reliability as H&K pistols are. Anyone who disagrees probably doesn't want to dish out the extra $ for the better gun. I don't mean to sound like a rich gun snob (trust me, I'm far from rich!), but when it comes to protecting my life I refuse to settle for an inferior product just so I can save a few hundred bucks. In the end, what's a few hundred bucks over a life-time if you actually plan to shoot and practice with the gun you carry? The cost of ammo over a life-time will far exceed the initial cost of the pistol, so what's the big deal if you pay a couple hundred dollars more up front?
There are a lot of people that trust their lives to Glocks. I will say that I am also one of them.
* Australia: Royal Australian Air Force (Glock 19), Australian Customs (Glock 17), and all Australian police services (Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27) except the South Australia Police and Victoria Police. A Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police. [43]
* Austria: Austrian Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistole 80). [44] [45]
* Belgium: Belgian police (Glock 17), [45] Belgian State Security Service. [46]
* Canada: Numerous local law enforcement agencies to include: Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Saskatoon, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, Toronto. [45]
* Ecuador: National Police, various special police units such as the GOE and GIR. [45]
* Fiji: Tactical Response Unit. [47]
* Finland: The primary service firearm of the police. [48] Also in use by the Defence Forces, Department of Corrections (Vankeinhoitolaitos) and Border Guard. [49]
* France: French Army—certain naval and parachute units (Glock 17). [50]
* Georgia: Special forces. [45]
* Germany: GSG 9 of the German Federal Police, [45] Spezialeinsatzkommandos (special response teams) of several state police departments.
* Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit, Hong Kong Police Force. [45]
* Iceland: Icelandic National Police, Víkingasveitin, ICRU. [51] [52] [53]
* India: National Security Guards (Glock 17). [45]
* Indonesia: Indonesian Army Kopassus, Indonesian National Police, Detachment 88.[citation needed]
* Iraq: Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s). [54]
* Italy: Italian special forces—GIS, NOCS, "Col Moschin" Regiment, COMSUBIN, Intelligence and State Security.[citation needed]
* Jordan: Presidential Guard. [45]
* Latvia: Latvian Military (Glock 17), police. [55]
* Lebanon: Used by various police and army units.
* Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces (Glock 17). [56]
* Luxembourg: Glock 17 and 26 variants used by the Unité Spéciale de la Police of the Grand Ducal Police. [57] [58]
* Macedonia: Special police forces, traffic police[citation needed]
* Malaysia: Various forces of Malaysian Armed Forces and Royal Malaysian Police units. [59]
* Mexico: Secretaria de Marina. [45]
* Montenegro: Military of Montenegro [60]
* Netherlands: Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17), [61] Dutch police (Glock 17, about 250 pistols in use as a stopgap measure). [62] [63] [64]
* New Zealand: New Zealand Police (Glock 17). [65]
* Norway: Royal Norwegian Army (Glock 17 designated P-80). [45]
* Philippines: Philippine National Police, National Bureau of Investigation (NBI), National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA), Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA). [45]
* Poland: Polish police, [66] Polish Military Police (Glock 17).
* Portugal: Used in the police HK PSP, GNR (Glock 19) , In the Portuguese armed forces (Glock 17)... Glock 18c is also used in the DAE.[citation needed]
* Romania: Issued to deployed and several special operations units.[citation needed]
* Russia: Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD). [67] [68]
* Spain: Guardia Civil's UEI (Glock 17). [69]
* Sweden: Swedish Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistol 88 and Glock 19 as Pistol 88B, [70] [71] ) Swedish Customs Service, Swedish Coast Guard.
* Switzerland : Police (Gendarmerie) Cantonal of Geneva are equipped with the Glock 19 [72] The Glarus Cantonal Police also use the Glock 19.
* Taiwan: Garrison Command. National Intelligence Coordinating Agency.[citation needed]
* Thailand: Policeman in 3 south province by G2G buying condition. (Glock 19, 2,238 pcs.) and some policeman, soldier and citizen nationwide. (some models) [45]
* United Kingdom: Greater Manchester Police, Tactical Firearms Unit Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service, [73] Police Service of Northern Ireland and certain Scottish Police Specialist Firearms Units (Glock 17). [74]
* United States: FBI, Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division, [75] DEA, [76] EPA Criminal Investigation Division, New York City Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Philadelphia Police Department, thousands of other agencies at the national, state, and local levels.
* Venezuela [45]
* Note Iraqi Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s) This is quit a testimony of trust...125 thousand, 163 Glock 19's.
* Note these users do not reflect the entire number of United States Police departments that have switched to Glock in the last five years either.
* Australia: Royal Australian Air Force (Glock 19), Australian Customs (Glock 17), and all Australian police services (Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27) except the South Australia Police and Victoria Police. A Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police. [43]
* Austria: Austrian Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistole 80). [44] [45]
* Belgium: Belgian police (Glock 17), [45] Belgian State Security Service. [46]
* Canada: Numerous local law enforcement agencies to include: Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Saskatoon, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, Toronto. [45]
* Ecuador: National Police, various special police units such as the GOE and GIR. [45]
* Fiji: Tactical Response Unit. [47]
* Finland: The primary service firearm of the police. [48] Also in use by the Defence Forces, Department of Corrections (Vankeinhoitolaitos) and Border Guard. [49]
* France: French Army—certain naval and parachute units (Glock 17). [50]
* Georgia: Special forces. [45]
* Germany: GSG 9 of the German Federal Police, [45] Spezialeinsatzkommandos (special response teams) of several state police departments.
* Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit, Hong Kong Police Force. [45]
* Iceland: Icelandic National Police, Víkingasveitin, ICRU. [51] [52] [53]
* India: National Security Guards (Glock 17). [45]
* Indonesia: Indonesian Army Kopassus, Indonesian National Police, Detachment 88.[citation needed]
* Iraq: Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s). [54]
* Italy: Italian special forces—GIS, NOCS, "Col Moschin" Regiment, COMSUBIN, Intelligence and State Security.[citation needed]
* Jordan: Presidential Guard. [45]
* Latvia: Latvian Military (Glock 17), police. [55]
* Lebanon: Used by various police and army units.
* Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces (Glock 17). [56]
* Luxembourg: Glock 17 and 26 variants used by the Unité Spéciale de la Police of the Grand Ducal Police. [57] [58]
* Macedonia: Special police forces, traffic police[citation needed]
* Malaysia: Various forces of Malaysian Armed Forces and Royal Malaysian Police units. [59]
* Mexico: Secretaria de Marina. [45]
* Montenegro: Military of Montenegro [60]
* Netherlands: Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17), [61] Dutch police (Glock 17, about 250 pistols in use as a stopgap measure). [62] [63] [64]
* New Zealand: New Zealand Police (Glock 17). [65]
* Norway: Royal Norwegian Army (Glock 17 designated P-80). [45]
* Philippines: Philippine National Police, National Bureau of Investigation (NBI), National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA), Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA). [45]
* Poland: Polish police, [66] Polish Military Police (Glock 17).
* Portugal: Used in the police HK PSP, GNR (Glock 19) , In the Portuguese armed forces (Glock 17)... Glock 18c is also used in the DAE.[citation needed]
* Romania: Issued to deployed and several special operations units.[citation needed]
* Russia: Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD). [67] [68]
* Spain: Guardia Civil's UEI (Glock 17). [69]
* Sweden: Swedish Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistol 88 and Glock 19 as Pistol 88B, [70] [71] ) Swedish Customs Service, Swedish Coast Guard.
* Switzerland : Police (Gendarmerie) Cantonal of Geneva are equipped with the Glock 19 [72] The Glarus Cantonal Police also use the Glock 19.
* Taiwan: Garrison Command. National Intelligence Coordinating Agency.[citation needed]
* Thailand: Policeman in 3 south province by G2G buying condition. (Glock 19, 2,238 pcs.) and some policeman, soldier and citizen nationwide. (some models) [45]
* United Kingdom: Greater Manchester Police, Tactical Firearms Unit Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service, [73] Police Service of Northern Ireland and certain Scottish Police Specialist Firearms Units (Glock 17). [74]
* United States: FBI, Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division, [75] DEA, [76] EPA Criminal Investigation Division, New York City Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Philadelphia Police Department, thousands of other agencies at the national, state, and local levels.
* Venezuela [45]
* Note Iraqi Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s) This is quit a testimony of trust...125 thousand, 163 Glock 19's.
* Note these users do not reflect the entire number of United States Police departments that have switched to Glock in the last five years either.
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I wasn't aware of any argument. I take it you don't like Glocks. That's okay they are not for everyone anyway. I don't like Stanley Steamers or 1911's either. One size never did fit all in real world and I don't think it ever will.
I think another consideration besides the reliability is the durability and repair factor Glock. My department was given a few Springfield XD models and when we found out we could not purchase replacement parts for in house repairs we gave them right back to Springfield.
The longest I have ever seen any of our Glocks out of service was only a matter of minutes.
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Glocks are less expensive than H&Ks because they just keep stamping out the same stuff year after year and they sell tons of them. H&Ks don't need to cost what they do but they do. Based up the millions of rounds shot successfully from Glocks they are the Mercedes of the gun world, not the Volkswagen. Often you DON'T get what you pay for, you just get the same thing at a higher price.
Both are great, reliable pistols.
Both are great, reliable pistols.
Wow, I wasn't aware I needed to be condescended to or told what my opinion was either. The "argument" was referring to your assertion that the LONG list you posted was evidence of your point. This might help you: From Dictionary.com ARGUMENT: a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: This is a strong argument in favor of her theory."
Additionally, you can leave it up to ME to say whether or not I like Glocks. Its the tired Kool-Aid drinking arguments I don't like. The weapon is just fine.
Grey Morel
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HK's have the same problem as ALL hammer fired pistols: even small amount of debris can completely obstruct the firing pin, rendering the pistol useless until the obstruction is removed.
1911 / Beretta / CZ / HK, it makes no difference. Even if the pistol itself is flawless, all hammer fired designs have at least this one weakness. In addition to this, they all have their own unique design quirks.
1911 / Beretta / CZ / HK, it makes no difference. Even if the pistol itself is flawless, all hammer fired designs have at least this one weakness. In addition to this, they all have their own unique design quirks.
Neither did I say I my feelings were hurt. I was simply trying to educate you. I'm sure you didn't know that either.
Grey Morel. The problem isn't that hammer fired designs are inherently unreliable. Striker fired pistols can be disabled by debris too. They do have a more enclosed design and are less susceptible to it but conversely it they do get obstructed you can't clear it without disassembling the weapon.
Grey Morel. The problem isn't that hammer fired designs are inherently unreliable. Striker fired pistols can be disabled by debris too. They do have a more enclosed design and are less susceptible to it but conversely it they do get obstructed you can't clear it without disassembling the weapon.
The only thing you have taught me is that you seem to be very rude. I will thank God you are not an expert as well.
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H&K Versus Glock
I've owned several of each. The Glock is my preferred pistol by a wide margin. I'm speaking of the Model 23 & 19 Glocks. The last H&K I owned I absolutely loathed. It was the .45 with the "LAW" (I think that's what the trigger option was called) trigger. I still think the Glock Model 23 stoked with Model 22 mags is the most advanced self defense/combat pistol ever designed. They are inexpensive, reliable, accurate, compact, show little wear. That being said, I mostly shoot 1911's at the range. And prefer them for the trigger. However, I carry a Glock 23. Just my opinion but I have owned and shot a lot of pistols.
I've owned several of each. The Glock is my preferred pistol by a wide margin. I'm speaking of the Model 23 & 19 Glocks. The last H&K I owned I absolutely loathed. It was the .45 with the "LAW" (I think that's what the trigger option was called) trigger. I still think the Glock Model 23 stoked with Model 22 mags is the most advanced self defense/combat pistol ever designed. They are inexpensive, reliable, accurate, compact, show little wear. That being said, I mostly shoot 1911's at the range. And prefer them for the trigger. However, I carry a Glock 23. Just my opinion but I have owned and shot a lot of pistols.
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