Are there any .5 MOA semi-auto rifles currently available?

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however I'm concerned that the Grendel may not be around in 5+ years.

Don't worry about this. You can make 6.5 grendel brass from 7.62x39 brass which I'm pretty sure will be around forever. I bought the double star grendel and it seems to be of great quality. Havent shot it yet but it looks like its pretty solid. Im waiting for my wife to forget about it before I start buying ammo for it.
 
I didn't mean for the focus of the thread to be .5 MOA. Les Baer advertises their 6.5mm Grendel Super Varmint as being capable of .5 MOA, so I was looking for other options with similar accuracy.

My question should be: What is the best semi-auto rifle (larger than a .223) in terms of cost/accuracy, that is not on back order for 6+ months, and has readily available magazines and ammo. The intended use is shooting 250+ yards with a scope.

I really like the Les Baer 6.5mm Grendel Super Varmint, however I'm concerned about ammo availability (I don't intend to reload).
The FN AR (Browning BAR hunting rifle based) is probably your best option. Magazines are the only shortfall. Otherwise you get FN's guarantee that it'll shoot MOA or better with factory match ammo, .308 probably has the most factory match ammo available of any caliber, and the rifle isn't as in demand as an AR-15 / AR-10.
 
The BAR is a nice rifle, however its weight might hold you back. It is a bit heavier than a M1, which is a bit heavier than a M14 IIRC. If you can handle the extra weight then it should serve you well. It certainly has a decent service record.
 
I agree with krochus that I'd never "post" a 3-shot group in order to demonstrate the capabilities of either a rifle or myself.
Well competition target shooting is one thing. For the type of long range hunting I do, there is really only one target that ends up meaning much in the end. I have a cold barrel target, I post it everytime I go to the range, and my first shot goes into that, and it is the ammo I hunt with. Sometime I post it at 100 yards, sometimes 200, sometimes 300. There are now 27 holes in it, and the group size is 3.2 inches.
 
I didn't think a PSG-1 could be made as accurate as a National Match M1A

Sorry, but I had to laugh at that. A PSG-1 is much more accurate out of the box (and at about $15-18k it better be), however the PTR-91 (even with the upgraded bbl) will never be a PSG-1, or shoot as good as one, but you can get close for alot less. The PSG-1 has an accuracy guarantee of sub 1MOA and is usually about 0.5MOA. A Nat. Match M1A is about 1MOA summer (summer less, summer not). I am assuming that is what you were referring to.

I meant the PTR-91. I know the PSG-1 is one of the most accurate semi-autos produced. I have seen a few PTR-91s dressed up as PSG-1s, however I doubt there even close to the PSG-1 in accuracy. I purchased the PTR-91 just to add it to my collection while it's still around. I expect "battle rifle" accuracy from the PTR-91, not sub-MOA. I don't want to spend money to upgrade the PTR-91 if it isn't going to be much more accurate.
 
I meant the PTR-91.
I figured that much, but it was still funny :D
however I doubt there even close to the PSG-1 in accuracy
I do not know from experience, as I have never shot or even seen one shot, however some guys claim to be getting great accuracy out of a PTR-91 (better than PSG-1 in some cases), however I have doubts in some of those claims myself. :scrutiny:
I don't want to spend money to upgrade the PTR-91 if it isn't going to be much more accurate.
Couldn't agree more, the PSG-1 Clone may look more accurate, but if it cannot perform...who cares? Hope you like your new gun, I think the LaRue will serve you well. Let us know how you like it and how well it performs, Mav.
 
The only problem with the LaRue OSR is that it uses SR-25 magazines. Does anyone know of other .308 magazines that are compatible with the SR-25?

I was still considering the 6.5 Grendel... One of the benefits of the Grendel is the compatibility with .223 AR lowers. Since I already have an AR I was thinking about either the Les Baer Super Varmint upper or the Alexander Arms 18" gas-piston upper.
 
I thought you had already decided on and ordered the OSR...
Although I didn't get a lot of advice, I decided on the LaRue Tactical 7.62mm OSR.
If not, I will refer you to post No. 47, I put a decent amount of time putting together the system detailed there and I think it may serve you well. the "Overwatch" version uses match grade components at a fraction of the price of comparably equiped 6.5 Grendel Rifles. If you want to go that route it is what I would suggest, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if you didn't (I am not invested in any of the systems). I think the 6.5Grendel will be around for a while.:D
 
In addition to the OSR, I was thinking about the Alexander Arms 6.5mm Grendel "Hunter" 18" upper with an A2 flash suppressor for about $800.

I liked the Alexander Arms 6.5mm Grendel gas-piston 18" upper, however it's close to $1,700 for the upper alone.

With the price of ammo I doubt I'll be shooting the Grendel upper enough to justify the extra cost of a gas-piston system (the cleanliness won't matter if I'm only shooting 20 rounds a month). The 18" Hunter should be just as accurate as the 18" gas-piston.

I thought an 18" Grendel upper would be a good choice, as I have a 16" .223 upper and I'm ordering the 7.62 OSR with a 20" barrel.
 
The 18" Hunter should be just as accurate as the 18" gas-piston.
No, it will be a bit more accurate than the piston operated upper...although if you want it to be more reliable and easier to clean the gas-piston is the way to go. I think you will be better served by the standard gas-impingement upper and use a gas-piston on a more used/shorter range caliber (such as your .223/5.56). For an assault rifle the gas-piston is hard to beat, for a sniper/target/benchrest rifle there are alot better systems available. Personally I would go with a bit longer barrel than the 18" to achieve higher velocities, however a shorter barrel can be more accurate due to less flexure at the end of barrel.
 
aren't sr-25s supposed to be capable of sub-MOA too?

If they are up to par with the SR-25 "clones" out there (i.e. DPMS LR-308, FA Titan FAR-308, Armalite AR-10, JP Enterprises, etc. etc.), then absolutely.

My LR-308 has never shot over MOA at 100 yards (with me behind the wheel.)


-- John
 
The DPMS rifles are claimed to be sub-MOA capable when properly broken-in. My own DPMS AP-4 .308 was 0.25 MOA. That rifle was an 18 pound, customized variant and extremely tight.

Geno
 
I have read several reviews of the Les Baer Super Varmint, all of which claimed accuracy below 1/2 MOA. There doesn't appear to be any other semi-auto rifles currently available that can match that accuracy for the same price.


Plenty can for the price of a Les Baer. A number of people on this thread have routinely broken .5 MOA with a semi.


-- John
 
Plenty can for the price of a Les Baer
A DPMS is the best AR for the money IMHO.
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I like your sig., may have to use it on some other less-frequented accounts...Good idea J. :D
 
DPMS are backordered 1-2 years...

I called Les Baer and they said they could ship me a 6.5mm SV in 12 weeks.
 
"A DPMS is the best AR for the money IMHO."
Other people agree...:D...
DPMS are backordered 1-2 years...
You can't go wrong with a Les Baer though, they make excellent guns.
 
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