Roadwild17
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The Democrats have a long list of possibilities to run, most of which are antis from my understanding (which isn't very much). Is there anyone who may be running that is on our-side?
Are there any pro-gun politicians running in 08?
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rhubarb
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Pardon me, but the question should be, is there a Democrat or Republican candidate who is a pro-Freedom candidate?
Start there and you won't finish up in either party.
Start there and you won't finish up in either party.
Roadwild17
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I did not want to limit responses to either party. There are other parties and independence who may also make it to having there names on the ballot.
All this info is from Vote-Match.
Strongly pro-gun:
Richardson
Warner
Allen
Frist
Gingrich
Hagel
Huckabee
Hunter
Rice
Weak pro-gun:
Tancredo
Neutral:
Brownback
Weak anti:
Daschle
Edwards
Vilsack
Kucinich
Strong anti:
Biden
Clark
Clinton
Dodd
Feingold
Gore
Kerry
Obama
Giuliani
McCain
Pataki
Romney
These characterizations are from the website, *not* my personal opinions. I disagree with several of them.
Also, several of these "candidates" have either withdrawn from the race or have repeatedly insisted they won't be running.
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Strongly pro-gun:
Richardson
Warner
Allen
Frist
Gingrich
Hagel
Huckabee
Hunter
Rice
Weak pro-gun:
Tancredo
Neutral:
Brownback
Weak anti:
Daschle
Edwards
Vilsack
Kucinich
Strong anti:
Biden
Clark
Clinton
Dodd
Feingold
Gore
Kerry
Obama
Giuliani
McCain
Pataki
Romney
These characterizations are from the website, *not* my personal opinions. I disagree with several of them.
Also, several of these "candidates" have either withdrawn from the race or have repeatedly insisted they won't be running.
HTHs
-John
Bubbles
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The only candidate from the strongly pro-gun list who has declared his candidacy is Hunter (R).
My personal preference is Newt Gingrich. The press and the Dems went after him because he is brilliant and effective....and revenge for his taking the House from the Dems after 40 years. I know Newt would have a hard time of it as the press will be vicious. But he is my first choice.
Edgeofthewoods
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Richardson is a pretty good guy. Even if he is a Democrat. Recently got his CCW permit. More moderate than others, andhas a strong stance on the rights of the people of the Stae of New Mexico. Now he is far from perfect, but he does hold his word better than most politicians here in the Land f Entrapment.
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seeker_two
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Why not former senator Fred Dalton Thompson
From what I've read, he's very conservative, anti-expansive government, and pro-freedom. And he definitely has name/face recognition....
Besides, as many times as he's played President, he should get a shot at the real thing at least once...
From what I've read, he's very conservative, anti-expansive government, and pro-freedom. And he definitely has name/face recognition....
Besides, as many times as he's played President, he should get a shot at the real thing at least once...
High Planes Drifter
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I am, so far, impressed with Huckabee. I would like to see him throw his hat in the ring.
Goslash, I dont know that I would put Mccain in the Strong-Anti isle. He's more of a wishy-washy character who seems to vote with whatever is in style.
Goslash, I dont know that I would put Mccain in the Strong-Anti isle. He's more of a wishy-washy character who seems to vote with whatever is in style.
cbsbyte
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The only decent canidate I could vote for is Richardson. All the others are either, too far to the left or right to be considered. Many are not even that pro RKBA, most 2008 canidates are anti including most of the Republicans. Some carry way to much political baggage to ever be considered a canidate that can be elected.
Sistema1927
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Don't let Bill Richardson fool you. He is an opportunist of the worst kind with Clintonista loyalties.
MikePGS
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Voting Libertarian means i never have to worry about whether or not my candidate is pro or anti-gun
MikePGS
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Sadly thats true, but it doesen't always have to be that way. If we just keep putting up more and more numbers each year, eventually it will make a difference.
stevelyn
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The last true pro-gun politician that occupied the Whitehouse was Theodore Roosevelt.
All since have been liars, pretenders, neutral or outright anti.
All since have been liars, pretenders, neutral or outright anti.
TR was also a fire-breathing reformer, an environmentalist and the originator of government regulation. All in all one of the best Presidents we ever had. Unfortunately, he was a reformer, an environmentalist and the originator of government regulation, so the Greedy Old Plutocrats forced him out and put the corrupt and biddable Taft in instead.
fallingblock
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So, where's the next T.R.?
Where's the next T.R.?
Or is it too late in the day for another?
Of course, it's entirely possible that Taft was a better choice for president than William Jennings Bryan, of whom James Bryce said: "That a man who talks so much should be able to think at all is amazing."
A bit like some of the present aspirants for the job.....
Where's the next T.R.?
Or is it too late in the day for another?
Of course, it's entirely possible that Taft was a better choice for president than William Jennings Bryan, of whom James Bryce said: "That a man who talks so much should be able to think at all is amazing."
A bit like some of the present aspirants for the job.....
WJB would have been a great candidate at one time. Certainly a great speechmaker since anyone who could make what is arguably the nation's best campaign speech ever on the bimetallic standard has the Gift. Or at least an ancestor who tongue-kissed the Blarney stone.
As H. L. Mencken said:
As H. L. Mencken said:
fallingblock
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But by 1908, his time was past.....
WJB had lost part of his "moral high ground" to T.R.'s reformist policies-
perhaps he was no longer the "man for the moment".
Certainly a lot of Americans of 100 years ago did not trust Bryan with the
President's office. Taft, on the other hand was, as you suggest, rather
"biddable" to those in the conservative wing of the GOP.
The presidential election of 1912 with the political re-entrance of T.R. and his "Progressive Party" meant a vote split which put the ethereal dreamer Wilson into power.
It's amusing, if not relevant to the discussion, to note the states which "The Progressive Party" carried in the 1912 election compared to the 2004 election:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictiona...ath=6/6f/&name=ElectoralCollege1912-Large.png
I guess what I'm hoping to convey is that we 'voters' seem to be at
the mercy of the political machines rather than their masters.
So what does a plausible approach to getting a worthwhile (for RKBA)
candidate nominated look like?
WJB had lost part of his "moral high ground" to T.R.'s reformist policies-
perhaps he was no longer the "man for the moment".
Certainly a lot of Americans of 100 years ago did not trust Bryan with the
President's office. Taft, on the other hand was, as you suggest, rather
"biddable" to those in the conservative wing of the GOP.
The presidential election of 1912 with the political re-entrance of T.R. and his "Progressive Party" meant a vote split which put the ethereal dreamer Wilson into power.
It's amusing, if not relevant to the discussion, to note the states which "The Progressive Party" carried in the 1912 election compared to the 2004 election:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictiona...ath=6/6f/&name=ElectoralCollege1912-Large.png
I guess what I'm hoping to convey is that we 'voters' seem to be at
the mercy of the political machines rather than their masters.
So what does a plausible approach to getting a worthwhile (for RKBA)
candidate nominated look like?
ForeverArmed
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A politician is only "pro-gun" if he/she believes in the Second Amendment. That means he/she supports civilian ownership of anything available to law enforcement, including newly-manufactured full-auto weapons and armor-piercing ammo. (I don't believe full-auto weapons are really any better than semi-auto except maybe inside of 25 yards or so; it's just the principle of the thing.)
Are there any such politicians? The only one I can think of who might qualify is Ron Paul of Texas (a libertarian and strict constitutionist who runs as a Republican).
Republicans are better about guns than Democrats, but they are far from what I'd call "pro-gun." Both major parties pay lip service to freedom and the Constitution, but neither really gives a crap about these things.
I think gun owners should start voting Libertarian and encouraging others to do the same. It's the only way the relentless march toward a police state will ever end (peacefully).
If you vote Libertarian, your candidate probably won't win at this point in time. But you'll be helping to make a statement that might encourage others. Most important, you won't have voted against the Constitution.
Are there any such politicians? The only one I can think of who might qualify is Ron Paul of Texas (a libertarian and strict constitutionist who runs as a Republican).
Republicans are better about guns than Democrats, but they are far from what I'd call "pro-gun." Both major parties pay lip service to freedom and the Constitution, but neither really gives a crap about these things.
I think gun owners should start voting Libertarian and encouraging others to do the same. It's the only way the relentless march toward a police state will ever end (peacefully).
If you vote Libertarian, your candidate probably won't win at this point in time. But you'll be helping to make a statement that might encourage others. Most important, you won't have voted against the Constitution.
Henry the Eighth
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Teddy Roosevelt one of the best Presidents ever? Please! Newt Gingrich, are you kidding me? I am continually amazed at what a fine job the American public school system does for its students.
Henry,
I gather you disagree Well hey man, don't hold back...tell us how you *really* feel.
Seriously, I think a large portion of us are pretty like-minded Libertarians and would like to see a Libertarian president, but it must be pointed out that most Americans (dare I say most people on this forum?) don't value their rights and freedoms as much as we do.
Sad but true.
The question becomes how best to protect our liberty in a country that doesn't want it?
I gather you disagree
Well hey man, don't hold back...tell us how you *really* feel.Seriously, I think a large portion of us are pretty like-minded Libertarians and would like to see a Libertarian president, but it must be pointed out that most Americans (dare I say most people on this forum?) don't value their rights and freedoms as much as we do.
Sad but true.
The question becomes how best to protect our liberty in a country that doesn't want it?
scout26
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Well the media is painting the 2008 campaign as Hillary vs Obama, with Edwards et al. as also rans. Rarely any mention of any Republicans.
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