are they gonna make a civlilian version of HK XM8

[George Hill]

"Doubtful...HK just doesn't see the need to pursue the civilian market."
Which is why all the latest stuff from HK for civilians seem to be just so much overhyped crap. Last 3 HK's I've looked at have been very disappointing. I don't see why remain so popular to so many. They strike me as being quite average and nothing to go out of your way for.

 

[Correia]

Keep it simple a holosight, and perhaps a light is all you need.

Yeah, what do all of those losers who actually shoot people for a living know anyway?

 

[Glockfan.45]

Keep it simple a holosight, and perhaps a light is all you need.

Yeah, what do all of those losers who actually shoot people for a living know anyway?

To show my point.




My back aches just looking at them.

 

[Langenator]

OK, to take it from the top:

-The OICW (from whence the XM-8 grew) has been cancelled. The 20mm semi-auto smart grenade laucher (the big part of that beast) wasn't going to mature quick enough. And yes, part of 'mature' meant making the thing smaller.

-That monster sight on the M4 looks like a PVS-4. Late 70s era technology. Mounts (obviously) exist to put it on more modern weapons, but notice you don't see any photos of guys in Iraq or Afghanistan doing it that way. That's because they use the combination of PAQ-4 or PEQ-2A IR aiming laser with helmet mounted NVGs instead.

-That FN 2000 isn't near as big as it looks. Under barrel GL-actually looks smaller than an M203, which is one of a favorite weapon systems of the troops who use it. And that bulky thing on top IS a CCO of some sort.

 

[PvtPyle]

To show my point.




My back aches just looking at them.

If you are going to post pics to prove your point, maybe you should make the pics relavent to the actual issue in the real world. Everything you show there is either outdated technology or fantasy gear.

If you back hurts from looking at them, go to the gym. I have no problems lugging my suppressed M4 with a M-68 sight, PEQ-2, PVS-14 or PVS-17 on it. And still carry my armor and loadout of ammo and other equipment.

The real people, using guns in the real world hang the stuff they need to give them a significant advantage over the enemy n the modern battle field. The wanna be's and fansy baseball camp people hang everything they can on them because they have rail slots available. You don't see real guys doing that crap.

Actualy they will make one for the military (i forgot where i got that)

No, they wont. The Rangers tested them to destruction (beyond failure) at FT Benning while their M4's kept on running HK says it will do 50k rds in the lab with no failures. Get, give them to lab rats. In the real world the broke, melted, and jammed easily and often. It is seen as a massive POS by everyone involved in the testing and after the Rangers tested it, the Army canned it. I was at Crane for the SOF Armorers course with two of the Rangers that were on the test group and they had pics from the test. Very, VERY pathetic. The military (SF anyway) is getting the SCAR VERY soon. MARCORSYSCOM is testing them in 5.56 and 6.8 right now, look for them to adapt the SCAR as well. Reports are extremely favorable from the initial tests.

HK cares for the civilian market only slightly more than Colt when it comes to rifles. That means almost none at all. They may make a semi version because they have all the money tied up in it and the civi version wont have heat issues from full auto. But when ask about it last year at SHOT, they smirked and said no (in that condecending way that only the Nazi's from HK can do).

Then again they may sit on it for a decade and then try to force it down everyone throat like FN did with the 5.7 guns and round.

 

[El Tejon]

Daring to ask HK questions??? Brave man indeed.

Achtung, Pvt. Pyle, vee vill ask den questionen!

/s/HecklerundKoch rep

And now it is the time on Sprockets that we dance.

 

[Kaylee]

Wow -- PvtPyle -- I hadn't heard they tanked that badly. What were the failures specifically, if it's okay to ask? Like what parts broke and melted and what kinds of jams? Were there failures that aren't documented with G36 rifles?

Metapotent, Glockfan -- remember that just because something is new it is not necessarily better. It may be, but it isn't necessarily so. Even without the failures PvtPyle mentioned, the XM-8 offered no significant advantages over the AR platform (another select-file 5.56... whee.), significant disadvantages that needed to either hacked into the design (bolt release/holdopen, BUIS), and other disadvantes that were never addressed (shorter overall barrel length in the same size weapon).

Rather than lament the Old Fuddyduddies Who Just Don't Get It, it would be wise to look at the relative merits of new tech over and beyond looking cool and having nice ad copy.

FWIW, I think the results of the SCAR program compared to the XM-8 program are really telling on the results of gov't vs. private development.

 

[El Tejon]

But, but Iwannacoolgun!!!

 

[PvtPyle]

The Lith SOF had the G36 in Afghanistan and they worked quite well in the desert. They even did quite well in sustained fire roles. No jams, no melting. The XM8 not only jammed with minor amounts of dirt i it, the gas system was suseptable to dirt getting in it and jamming it up (anyone rmember the very early POF pistoned uppers? They were not closed either and they had a similar issue which has now been fixed). Worst of all, for some reason the polymer used in the test bed samples melted around the truniouns.

To top it off, the rail it used was not compatable with the NATO rails. So none of the accessories we had would work. But HK was kind enough to make a bunch of different adapters that they were willing to sell us so we could use our accessories. If we chose not to buy their accessories that is.

 

[Gewehr98]

I'll be damned!

A moderator Godwin'ed the thread.

But when ask about it last year at SHOT, they smirked and said no (in that condecending way that only the Nazi's from HK can do).

 

[Correia]

Gewehr, having had some of our guys go through the HK armorer's school, Nazi is probably one of the kinder things that the folks from HK are reffered to as.

 

[Trebor]

I had to call HK customer service a couple times when I owned my P7 pistols. Their attitude was, "If you ain't military or a LEO, you ain't ****!"

After I grew disenchanted with the P7's and sold them all, I decided never to buy another HK product. I don't respect a company that doesn't respect me.

 

[PvtPyle]

It isn't that they don't respect you, it is that they don't care about you.