Are we a Vindictive Bunch?

[gym]

Do what sits right for you. We don't have many alternatives that we can alter future Govt. actions with. If it helps just a little bit, or catches the eye of one politician who just may hear about it, then it's worth it.
But if it inconveniences you to the point of not being able to obtain what you desire, then don't be a martyr just buy it.

 

[another pake]

An Internet purchase from a gun related business in an anti state is probably one of the most productive things you could do, in terms of alienating the anti's but I'm thinking that buyers won't continue getting that little tax free perk much longer. In fact, from what I hear, most politicians would love to get those laws changed, gun related or not.

Boycotting the folks who make it possible for us to enjoy what we do at the lowest price doesn't make good sense to me. I almost hate to say it but, I think you would get farther with the politicians in those states by saying, "sure I'm willing to pay sales tax on my Internet purchase from businesses in your state."

Boycotting business transactions that produce no income for states will have little or no positive effect and puts the responsibility for action on the business owner to change the minds of legislators, and sinse the state receives no - or fewer- benefits from those lost sales, there is very little incentive to change.

I think that this is a case of "help me help you."

 

[j1]

The only area where I might be called vindictive is concerning coyotes. Coyotes killed my cat and I have hated all coyotes ever since then. I have never poisoned or hunted them but have no adversion to others doing so.

 

[22-rimfire]

J1, that's funny. But I understand and would feel the same way.

Queen, thanks for the ammo update at Academy Sports.

 

[JustinJ]

If a business, such as Chick fil a, decides to jump into the middle of a political debate I can understand people using that as a factor in choosing whether or not to do business with them. But just operating in a state with laws one doesn't agree with? Come on. It's kind of hypocritical because I doubt any state exists in which a person agrees with every single law.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I recently ordered a few things from Optics Planet and upon receiving their confirmation email, I saw that they are in Illinois. I feel a little guilty that just because they're in Illinois that I don't want to do business with them again in the future because of that. They shipped my order today after placing the order last night and it says it should be here Monday. I see mostly positive reviews about it, but I believe in voting with your wallet. Am I wrong in this?

In this instance I think you are.
I too believe in voting with my wallet, but I don't think thats what you would be doing by not doing business with them. I say support pro gun businesses in Illinois so they can continue to fight for change. Now if they do something to harm the 2A movement, then by all means, cease doing business with them, but so far I don't see where they have done wrong. It's just not financially feasible to just pack up and move a huge business to another state.

 

[fanchisimo]

It's not just optics planet. Like someone mentioned, some are still mad at Ruger (BTW, what is the story with that? I only began my interest in firearms mid-2011 and I can't find why he is disliked.)

Jim243, I settle for being made in the US by US workers as far as the rifles I buy, but Savage was bought by a company called ATK based in Minnesota from their website so as long as the quality and accuracy stays up, I will buy Savage rifles. You scared me for a second.

To expect them to move is expecting them to incure a huge moving and tax alteration undertaking for no real reason.

What do you expect a business to do... move every time the state legislature that they are in does something you don't agree with? That is just stupid.

Magpul did it and look at the gun public support. I will always buy magpul when possible because of that. They took a stand and said Colorado won't get their tax dollars any more. However, I'm not saying every little change warrants a move but if you're smack dab in the middle of anti-gun country, that seems like a little much to me.

...I doubt any state exists in which a person agrees with every single law.

What about if you disagree with about every single law?

Now if they do something to harm the 2A movement, then by all means, cease doing business with them

They pay taxes, granted not sales tax since I'm in MO, but still they pay taxes to the Illinois and Cook county political machine. That is why I concern myself with the location of a business.

 

[USAF_Vet]

If we don't help allies (gun related businesses) behind enemy lines (anti-gun political states), then we are giving the enemy more ground. I probably won't make major purchases from CTD, for price gouging reasons, but just because a company is based in a state with poor politics isn't a reason to punish them. We need more small gun related businesses in those states if anything.

 

[itsa pain]

what is left out is that gun owners are vindictive towards each other on top of the antis. the hoarding of ammo like babies one group of guys not caring about a certain class of guns because they don't have them thinking that more piling on of background checks are the answer done by the same govt that wants to limit guns etc

 

[Romeo 33 Delta]

Just keep buying from them. We, the gun culture, need to exercise the logical part of our brains, not the emotional one. They are probably more unhappy with their politicans than you, in another state, are!

 

[itsa pain]

The only area where I might be called vindictive is concerning coyotes. Coyotes killed my cat and I have hated all coyotes ever since then. I have never poisoned or hunted them but have no adversion to others doing so.

not to make light of losing your cat I would be real sad if I lost mine but cats kill an amazing amount of animals and do not eat 90% of them just for fun. they seem like the only ones that do that

 

[JustinJ]

Magpul did it and look at the gun public support. I will always buy magpul when possible because of that. They took a stand and said Colorado won't get their tax dollars any more. However, I'm not saying every little change warrants a move but if you're smack dab in the middle of anti-gun country, that seems like a little much to me.

Magpul makes a product that is no longer legal in the state they moved from. Not exactly the same thing.

 

[ExTank]

Since we are constantly under attack as gun owners, it makes sense to keep track of who our friends and foes are, and act accordingly.

Of course the "Boycotts don't do any good" crowd is always around, but since I have a choice where to spend my money, I think that choice should be made carefully, with our values in mind.

+ 1,000,000! QFT!

I will NOT knowingly give my money to anyone I preceive to be a gouger, an open or closet anti (or even a "Fudd"), and will only very reluctantly do business with a gun company or merchant residing in an anti-gun state (such as the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois).

The gun or gun-related product will have to be something I cannot get anywhere else at all for me to give my money to them. :banghead:

Vote with your wallet even more often than with your ballots!

So WRT to the OP, I would consider it less "vindictiveness" than doing smart business with proven friends, rather than fair-weather friends, or support the tax-base of a consistently and persistently anti-gun polity by doing business with the company that resides there.

 

[Bovice]

I don't even buy guns from anywhere anymore, because the majority of countries on earth are becoming more anti-gun.

Get real guys.

 

[ExTank]

^ Like I give a flip about what "other countries" think or do.

I am a citizen of this country.

And that's enough.

 

[GBExpat]

I recently ordered a few things from Optics Planet and upon receiving their confirmation email, I saw that they are in Illinois. I feel a little guilty that just because they're in Illinois that I don't want to do business with them again in the future because of that.

Has Optics Planet behaved in some fashion that indicates that it is an anti-gun company?

If not, and if they have done nothing to indicate that they are a disreputable company, I would continue to do business with them.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I haven't looked into where they're located in Illinois, but keep in mind that the restrictive gun laws in that state are driven by the Chicago crowd...not everybody feels that way, certainly not the people who own/run any kind of firearms related businesses. Kind of be shooting themselves in the foot if they were campaigning for such laws, wouldn't it?

As for CTD...I don't have a problem with sites raising their prices in response to market influences, within reason. However, I generally shop around for products online based on two main criteria:

1. Quality and affordability (which go hand in hand to me).
2. Customer service.

I don't shop at CTD because the researching on items I'm interested in shows me that they're significantly (to me) higher than other sources for the same items. And since my other sources have proven customer service qualities I like, I don't see where it's worth my time and money to go through CTD to get what I want.

 

[22-rimfire]

Wow. I didn't know Savage Arms was bought out by ATK. ATK is making a huge footprint in the firearms industry. http://www.masslive.com/business-news/index.ssf/2013/06/savage_arms_sale_final.html

Magpul did it and look at the gun public support. I will always buy magpul when possible because of that. They took a stand and said Colorado won't get their tax dollars any more. However, I'm not saying every little change warrants a move but if you're smack dab in the middle of anti-gun country, that seems like a little much to me.

Magpul is a manufacturer. That is a bit different. They did take a stand and CO called them on it. They moved to Casper WY area.

Kahr is moving or finalizing the deal to move most of their operations to NE PA from NY state. They also have plans to expand. Beretta is moving or begining to move operations out of MD. I believe most of Berreta's expansion plans will be outside MD. Both have my support.

 

[sfed]

No more buying from Cheaper Than Dirt

I made up my mind I will never spend another dime with CTD when I saw a brick of 500 22 caliber long rifle cartridges priced at $199.95 !!!! That is insane there, that may be the going price right now, but I will not ever spend another dime with them ever again. Call me vindictive, and I may even be hurting myself down the road. But it is a matter of principle to me.

 

[jack44]

Order somewhere else that gun friendly.

 

[Coop45]

Optic Planet has always provided excellent service to me. Rather than worrying about a company's location, maybe we should be helping fund campaigns for gun friendly candidates in other districts or other states if your local guy is pro gun and secure.

 

[Bobson]

All people are vindictive by nature.

Voting with your wallet need not be a form of vengeance.

 

[hso]

Supporting pro-2A companies working "behind enemy lines" helps, not hurts, 2A in that state.

 

[itsa pain]

I made up my mind I will never spend another dime with CTD when I saw a brick of 500 22 caliber long rifle cartridges priced at $199.95 !!!! That is insane there, that may be the going price right now, but I will not ever spend another dime with them ever again. Call me vindictive, and I may even be hurting myself down the road. But it is a matter of principle to me.

2 weeks ago I saw it for $249 a brick prices are dropping like the unemployment rate lol

 

[Impureclient]

Thanks for the heads up. Last two scopes were from them. No more though.