Are we becoming the Eloi?

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Snarlingiron

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I was just enjoying a cigar and a whisky and thinking out in my backyard. Some how I begain thinking of The Time Machine, and the Eloi and the Morlocks. As our governments legislate weapons out of existance, and mandate that citizens must retreat and not defend themselves, the question begs to be answered: Are we becomming the Eloi? Living lives of pampered luxury and excess, beginning to forget even the concept of defending ourselves, but willing to sacrifice a few of our own now and again in order to maintain our excessive lifestyle?

That H.G Wells. Really makes one think. Or maybe not. Maybe just the Whisky...

What say you?
 
I've been thinking the same think for years now, Snarlingiron.

We have seen repeatedly that prosperity is often all that is needed for many to be willing to give up all freedom. And every day I watch the news, I am reminded of this simple fact.


-- John
 
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Well, first off I would point out that there are still at least, 250 million firearms among at least 80 million gun owners in the United States, and there is quite a logistical problem collecting all of them. Thus most gun control laws are unrealistic and utopian in nature. Are there individuals like that ? Sure! They live in Washington DC!
 
Well, first off I would point out that there are still at least, 250 million firearms among at least 80 million gun owners in the United States, and there is quite a logistical problem collecting all of them. Thus most gun control laws are unrealistic and utopian in nature. Are there individuals like that ? Sure! They live in Washington DC!

It means far less than you think. How many of those are actually effective weapons? How many of those owners have decent quantities of ammo? Have the training and knowledge to competently use and repair their firearms? And have the will to use them if necessary?
 
I say this is off topic, way off topic, for this board. Hopefully a moderator will come along and close it soon.
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We've discussed this here and at TFL for years, Snarlington. I prefer the term 'Eloi' to 'sheep,' also.

I say this is off topic, way off topic, for this board. Hopefully a moderator will come along and close it soon.
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Whoa there, friend. You're probably right, but there's no need to upset yourself about it. :confused:
 
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It means far less than you think. How many of those are actually effective weapons? How many of those owners have decent quantities of ammo? Have the training and knowledge to competently use and repair their firearms? And have the will to use them if necessary?

The percentages to your three questions are: 80, 20, less than 1.
 
(for: eloi = sheep)


I think we're more like the morlocks. We have a lot of military fellows on here, and last I saw nobody on welfare - I can't help but feel like maybe we're the ones doing the work and getting stepped on, and every once in a while we can usurp someone's reelection campaign.

Remember, the eloi didn't really have any response to the morlocks - that's why they'd sacrifice a few. Appeasement.
 
Excellent point. That could be exactly where we are headed if we give up guns, etc. etc. A bit far fetched, but possible none the less.
 
Someone once remarked; "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Atleast on a federal level I think we're seeing that prove true.
OTOH a number of states have passed "stand your ground" laws which I think are helping to turn the tide on this.
I wouldn't give up all hope yet.
 
Roswell 1847 said:
Well I'm no Morlock but that Yvette Mimieux Was a mighty tasty dish in her day.
Actually, H. G. Wells didn't see the Morlocks as all bad . . . they were the descendants of the workers of the world, the productive members of society.

Think about Wells' day - with the Industrial Revolution well under way, the steel workers - those who, in the language of the time, " . . . worked in the fiery belly of Moloch . . . " were seen as the people who were building civilization. It was the idle, non-productive people that gave rise to the worthless Eloi of the far future, fit only to be eaten by those who worked, and had earned a good meal.
 
mandate that citizens must retreat ... beginning to forget even the concept of defending ourselves...
But they aren't. As Tommygunn pointed out, more and more states are passing "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws. Likewise, more states have passed CCW laws in the last 15 years than ever before, recognizing the need and desire for people to defend themselves.

It sure seems like more people are more aware of the need to take responsibility for self-defense now than they have been in the last 100 years.
 
Think about Wells' day - with the Industrial Revolution well under way, the steel workers - those who, in the language of the time, " . . . worked in the fiery belly of Moloch . . . " were seen as the people who were building civilization. It was the idle, non-productive people that gave rise to the worthless Eloi of the far future, fit only to be eaten by those who worked, and had earned a good meal.

While "Metropolis" is often dismissed as Communist or at least Marxist propaganda, Thea Von Harbeau's original story and the full length version of the film makes some very good points, especially in the context of the time.
If the less fortunate are not exposed to culture and have no shot at higher education they degenerate into a sub culture. We see that in our inner cities to some extent even today, and it was much worse for a greater proportion of our population not that long ago.
Literacy rates were higher in some of the original 13 colonies than they are today, or so I've read.

BTW
My earlier mention of genetic predisposition towards violence is no longer simply a theory. Blood pressure spikes and sudden releases of adrenaline and testoserone due to know medical factors have been linked directly to the genetic heritage of the subjects so far studied.
As for un natural selection of warfare, in ancient times, and in modern day backwards societies, only the strong, swift, and quick to strike survived to have offspring.
Centuries of more civilized warfare ensured that only those best suited for combat were likely to engage in combat, the most suited being sent to the units most at risk of high casualties. This resulted in those least suited being most likely to serve only in support roles or be left behind to man the industries and farms.
These same factors resulted in the decline of Roman military might and the degeneration of the civilian population. Their best men never lived long enough to have large families and a large percentage of those who did became colonists of conquered lands or Foederates by way of the landgrants given to veterans.
After awhile The Roman soldiers could no longer even carry the full weight of armor and weaponry of the old Roman Legions.
The minimum height for a Roman Legionaire went from six feet to five ten and then to no minumum height at all. Armor all but disappeared.
People like myself whose ancestors were among the last hereditary warriors and whose immediate ancestors were isolated by geography lost a great deal less of the genetic factors which are necessary to maintaining a high level of agressiveness. This can be a good thing or a bad thing according to the pressures of society.

Theres many a good man who'd sacrifice his life for what he believes to be right, but can't fight their way out of a paper bag.
There are others with no fear of death, who fight like lions, yet don't have a clue what they are fighting for, or even care.
 
Theres many a good man who'd sacrifice his life for what he believes to be right, but can't fight their way out of a paper bag.

Leaders of rough men.

There are others with no fear of death, who fight like lions, yet don't have a clue what they are fighting for, or even care.

Rough men who need a leader.

Together they stand ready to fight the evil that assails the eloi in their comfortable and warm cages oblivious to the evil. Watching the world through the looking glass not truly understanding what and who have payed the price of liberty and freedom they enjoy.
 
Some people are becoming Eloi, and some are becoming Morlocks.

Can you use tools, build a fire, shelter, or fix machinery? Then you are probably evolving into a Morlock.

Are you jacked into your iPod without a clue/care how it works, preoccupied with the style of your hair, and hip to the latest trends and fashions? Sorry, your going the Eloi route.

One of my buddies once told me, "After the apocalypse, a can of corn isn't food, it's bait.":what: Still creeps me out to this day...
 
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