Lurp
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I am in the one under the U.S. Constitution and so are almost every other person on this site.
Are you a member of a Militia?
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Declaration Day
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Wow, Readyandvigilant, you sure like to type a lot.
For the record, I am not angry with you. A bit disheartened by your ignorance, but not angry.
As much as I'd like to answer many of your incorrect statements and assumptions about the militia, and our group specifically, it appears you have made up your mind.
Despite your immature first post, I politely offered you an opportunity to come and see for yourself who we are. You chose to stand firm in your angry, ignorant judgments.
Respond to this if you see fit, but I am bowing out of this conversation with you, as my time is reserved for those who behave like gentlemen (and ladies).
Good day.
For the record, I am not angry with you. A bit disheartened by your ignorance, but not angry.
As much as I'd like to answer many of your incorrect statements and assumptions about the militia, and our group specifically, it appears you have made up your mind.
Despite your immature first post, I politely offered you an opportunity to come and see for yourself who we are. You chose to stand firm in your angry, ignorant judgments.
Respond to this if you see fit, but I am bowing out of this conversation with you, as my time is reserved for those who behave like gentlemen (and ladies).
Good day.
ReadyontheRight
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(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
The Shootist
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To: ReadyandVigilant
First off I don't belong to any Militia or Military Branch but I beleive in our right to own and bear Arms and I see nothing wrong with what Declaration Day and his group are doing as long as they aren't break any laws and actually it is what the Framers and Writers of our Constitution and the Second Amendment meant by an Armed Malitia and not Only A body Soldiers controlled by any State or Goverment!
Our Laws as they Still stand Today!
In recent decades, efforts have been mounted to impose an individual meaning on the Second Amendment—that is, to assert that the amendment protects an individual right to own guns, aside and apart from militia service. The effort dates to a law journal article published in 1960. Since then, the individualist movement has won adherents, and in 2001 a federal court (Fifth Circuit) for the first time accepted this view in U.S. v. Emerson. This view has now been endorsed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, representing a reversal of decades of Justice Department interpretation. But even supporters of the individualist view generally concede that it permits reasonable gun regulations.
ROBERT J. COTTROL: There can be little doubt that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the right of the people to have arms. The amendment should first be seen as a restatement of the principle found in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This principle—that the people should be armed not only to participate in militia duty but also to defend themselves against a tyrannical government—was a well-recognized part of Anglo-American political and constitutional thought endorsed by, among others, English legal commentator William Blackstone.
Both Blackstone and the English Bill of Rights were part of the background of the framers as they drafted the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment. No one has found any statements from the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century endorsing the notion that the amendment applied only to men acting in a militia capacity. Although one of the purposes of the Second Amendment was to ensure that an armed population would be available to act in a militia capacity, there is no evidence that the right was to be restricted to that. Indeed, given what we know of the rejection of alternatives that were offered, there is a strong indication that the intent was to protect an individual right.
A Simple Question!
If the Goverment went into complete anarchy,with a total of 1.5Million Armed Forces and a National Guard of Max.of 350,000 and maybe 10-20 thousand Organized Malitia(Controlled By Gov.) as you call yourself.
Now consider the unorganized Malitia,Today(abled bodied Men & Woman 17-47) Approx 145Million Strong
Now! On which side would You stand?
First off I don't belong to any Militia or Military Branch but I beleive in our right to own and bear Arms and I see nothing wrong with what Declaration Day and his group are doing as long as they aren't break any laws and actually it is what the Framers and Writers of our Constitution and the Second Amendment meant by an Armed Malitia and not Only A body Soldiers controlled by any State or Goverment!
Our Laws as they Still stand Today!
In recent decades, efforts have been mounted to impose an individual meaning on the Second Amendment—that is, to assert that the amendment protects an individual right to own guns, aside and apart from militia service. The effort dates to a law journal article published in 1960. Since then, the individualist movement has won adherents, and in 2001 a federal court (Fifth Circuit) for the first time accepted this view in U.S. v. Emerson. This view has now been endorsed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, representing a reversal of decades of Justice Department interpretation. But even supporters of the individualist view generally concede that it permits reasonable gun regulations.
ROBERT J. COTTROL: There can be little doubt that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the right of the people to have arms. The amendment should first be seen as a restatement of the principle found in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This principle—that the people should be armed not only to participate in militia duty but also to defend themselves against a tyrannical government—was a well-recognized part of Anglo-American political and constitutional thought endorsed by, among others, English legal commentator William Blackstone.
Both Blackstone and the English Bill of Rights were part of the background of the framers as they drafted the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment. No one has found any statements from the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century endorsing the notion that the amendment applied only to men acting in a militia capacity. Although one of the purposes of the Second Amendment was to ensure that an armed population would be available to act in a militia capacity, there is no evidence that the right was to be restricted to that. Indeed, given what we know of the rejection of alternatives that were offered, there is a strong indication that the intent was to protect an individual right.
A Simple Question!
If the Goverment went into complete anarchy,with a total of 1.5Million Armed Forces and a National Guard of Max.of 350,000 and maybe 10-20 thousand Organized Malitia(Controlled By Gov.) as you call yourself.
Now consider the unorganized Malitia,Today(abled bodied Men & Woman 17-47) Approx 145Million Strong
Now! On which side would You stand?
Take a look at the Code of Virginia
§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.
It used to be "All able-bodied male citizens" until about 20 years ago. In the mid-1980s, that changed to "able-bodied citizens". I also answered "yes" to "I have a friend in the militia".
§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.
It used to be "All able-bodied male citizens" until about 20 years ago. In the mid-1980s, that changed to "able-bodied citizens". I also answered "yes" to "I have a friend in the militia".
ReadyAndVigilant
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If the US fell apart tomarrow, I would be what I have been. A legal soldier for the state. I've sworn an oath to protect this state from all enemies foreign or domestic... and if you militias felt you needed to act against the duly elected government, I would defend it from you as well.
I've given you all the facts regarding the militita (what it is and what its not) but I'm sure you'll just shrug it off and go on pretending that you're some other than a private paramilitary group.
Truth hurts, huh people?
I've given you all the facts regarding the militita (what it is and what its not) but I'm sure you'll just shrug it off and go on pretending that you're some other than a private paramilitary group.
Truth hurts, huh people?
Roadwild17
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I thought the militia was "dead" until the discovery channel did a special about the Missouri ? 51st militia. They showed how they trained with paintball markers for "live fire" exercises, how they have communications, health care, security, and command individuals. They explained who anytime something happened in the community, the militia would offer help and would always be refused by the local authorities. I then remember the last 10 minutes or so was spend talking about weapons (I believe they were taling to a different type of militia) as it appeared they had auto weapons (I didn't know anything about NFA stuff then, it was quiet a few years ago).
I'm not in a militia, I am part of the US militia so to say, but when I move to Texas I may look into the Texas state guard.
I'm not in a militia, I am part of the US militia so to say, but when I move to Texas I may look into the Texas state guard.
R&V
You claim not to be on your "high horse". I gotta tell you though, from an outsider (*with no stake in this at all) looking in, the horse you're riding looks SOOO HIGH, if you fell off it you'd likely free-fall for thirty minutes at terminal velocity before you ever hit earth.
It may upset you, but you do come off as being just one of a line of family members with a long history alright, of being full of themselves.
*Over fifty and refer to post #64.
You claim not to be on your "high horse". I gotta tell you though, from an outsider (*with no stake in this at all) looking in, the horse you're riding looks SOOO HIGH, if you fell off it you'd likely free-fall for thirty minutes at terminal velocity before you ever hit earth.
It may upset you, but you do come off as being just one of a line of family members with a long history alright, of being full of themselves.
*Over fifty and refer to post #64.
hotpig
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Barbara, remember KATRINA? When there were no police and NO National Guard for many days? In that event, VDF would deploy armed. just because we dont obsess with weapons (we all know them and use them anyway even if the state doesnt currently provide training) doesnt mean were not a defense force. militias are called to arms when they need to be. you pretend militias are just gun-focused social groups who play gi joe. the VDF is a state military organization.
VDF is primarly an EMS support organization, however they can and would be capable of physical defense of critical state infrastructure. (end of quote)
Who decides when you should go armed? Why would you go into a situation that required you to be armed when you say the state does not provide you with training or weapons?
I do not know anything about your orginization but a assumption would be that you guys are not to be armed. Thats why you do not get state sponsored training.Self arming would likly violate your "employment" with the state making you a militia.
VDF is primarly an EMS support organization, however they can and would be capable of physical defense of critical state infrastructure. (end of quote)
Who decides when you should go armed? Why would you go into a situation that required you to be armed when you say the state does not provide you with training or weapons?
I do not know anything about your orginization but a assumption would be that you guys are not to be armed. Thats why you do not get state sponsored training.Self arming would likly violate your "employment" with the state making you a militia.
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therealsteamer
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This is getting good...
It is very enlightening to see the difference of opinions with in this thread...
I reposted this at another forum and among others got the following reply from a friend:
It is certainly possible to have a "true" militia these days, though I'm not aware of any.
The militias that existed from the 15th though 17th centuries were created and supported by local communities. Their primary purpose was to protect the communities against invasions. The militias were quite structured and regimented; community leaders would oversee the operations of the militia, and would appoint qualified people to recruit, train, and discipline the men.
There are two key characteristics of this "classic" militia that are particularly noteworthy:
1. They were created by communities.
2. The members lived in close proximity to each other, and would operate as a tight-knit unit when called upon to fight.
As for #1, I'm not aware of any modern citizen's militia unit that was created by a local community. As for #2, I can only speak for the group I'm a member of. Though we all meet at a common location to train, our members are spread throughout Ohio.
I have had the following conversation with a number of our members:
Member: "If the SHTF, will we be a fighting force? Where will we meet?"
Me: "A militia protects the community, and we each live in different communities. Because we live so far apart, we will probably never be a tight-knit fighting force if the real thing ever happens."
Member: "So if we're not a fighting force, why are we training?"
Me: "Even though we call ourselves a 'militia group,' do not think of us as a fighting force. We aren't. If the SHTF, each of us must become a leader in our communities. In your community there will be lots of people coming out of the woodwork with rifles in hand, and they'll be looking for someone to lead them. That's the real reason we hold training sessions... to train men like you to become militia leaders in their communities after the SHTF. In this respect, we are really an educational group, not a militia."
It is this mindset that attracted me to AND finally convinced me to become part of this organization....
It is very enlightening to see the difference of opinions with in this thread...
I reposted this at another forum and among others got the following reply from a friend:
It is certainly possible to have a "true" militia these days, though I'm not aware of any.
The militias that existed from the 15th though 17th centuries were created and supported by local communities. Their primary purpose was to protect the communities against invasions. The militias were quite structured and regimented; community leaders would oversee the operations of the militia, and would appoint qualified people to recruit, train, and discipline the men.
There are two key characteristics of this "classic" militia that are particularly noteworthy:
1. They were created by communities.
2. The members lived in close proximity to each other, and would operate as a tight-knit unit when called upon to fight.
As for #1, I'm not aware of any modern citizen's militia unit that was created by a local community. As for #2, I can only speak for the group I'm a member of. Though we all meet at a common location to train, our members are spread throughout Ohio.
I have had the following conversation with a number of our members:
Member: "If the SHTF, will we be a fighting force? Where will we meet?"
Me: "A militia protects the community, and we each live in different communities. Because we live so far apart, we will probably never be a tight-knit fighting force if the real thing ever happens."
Member: "So if we're not a fighting force, why are we training?"
Me: "Even though we call ourselves a 'militia group,' do not think of us as a fighting force. We aren't. If the SHTF, each of us must become a leader in our communities. In your community there will be lots of people coming out of the woodwork with rifles in hand, and they'll be looking for someone to lead them. That's the real reason we hold training sessions... to train men like you to become militia leaders in their communities after the SHTF. In this respect, we are really an educational group, not a militia."
It is this mindset that attracted me to AND finally convinced me to become part of this organization....
I'm familiar with the Michigan-based VDF, thanks. I have several friends who are involved and have considered joining myself.
Does it concern me that they intend to carry firearms under certain conditions but don't train? Um, hello, yes.
I'm also not a member of the militia, organized, unorganized, or any other kind. But our 2nd Amendment provides for them, my family fought the Revolution in one, and I believe RaV is mistaken in his interpretation of what they are..the exact same arguments he uses are used by anti-gunners to claim the National Guard is the militia and so we mere citizens don't need guns.
Does it concern me that they intend to carry firearms under certain conditions but don't train? Um, hello, yes.
I'm also not a member of the militia, organized, unorganized, or any other kind. But our 2nd Amendment provides for them, my family fought the Revolution in one, and I believe RaV is mistaken in his interpretation of what they are..the exact same arguments he uses are used by anti-gunners to claim the National Guard is the militia and so we mere citizens don't need guns.
ReadyAndVigilant
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Roadwild17, thanks for the info on the show concerning the Missouri 51st militia... I've researched these groups for many years and this looks interesting. Glad to hear you're considering membership in the authorized state defense force of Texas. Hope it goes well for you.
BobMcG, sorry you feel that way, but as I stated before, just laying the facts out there. If you feel that someone is riding the high horse for telling the truth, then that's your problem to deal with.
hotpig, VDF is activated by the Adjutant General, MG Thom Cutler - usually at the request of local authorities. If volunteers are required to be armed to ensure their own safety and the security of rescue victims, the Adjutant General would issue a "time to carry" order that authorizes the instruction in use and issue of shotguns or rifles (depending on environment).
BobMcG, sorry you feel that way, but as I stated before, just laying the facts out there. If you feel that someone is riding the high horse for telling the truth, then that's your problem to deal with.
hotpig, VDF is activated by the Adjutant General, MG Thom Cutler - usually at the request of local authorities. If volunteers are required to be armed to ensure their own safety and the security of rescue victims, the Adjutant General would issue a "time to carry" order that authorizes the instruction in use and issue of shotguns or rifles (depending on environment).
R&V said:
Apparently some of your facts are being disputed.
R&V said:
What a cute little saying. Yeah, that's right, I feel everyone simply telling the truth is automatically on a high horse.
Well then, lets see.... lets keep it equally cute shall we...
"If you feel that someone saying you come across as a person on a high horse is due to the fact that they just can't handle the truth as presented by you rather than due to manor in which you speak to other people, then that's your problem to deal with."
Touché
Jacka L Ope
Member
Washington State RCW 38.04.030:
Composition of the militia.
The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.
Composition of the militia.
The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.
The Shootist
Member
R&V said:
If the Goverment went into complete anarchy then all VDF's,Law inforcement and all US Forces would have to decide if they would then turn on their own Father,Brother,Mother,Sister and all their Neighbors or any and All Forces not controlled By said Goverment to protect that Goverment that was out of control.
Thats what the Malitia was created for!
V&R's answer as he has already stated Yes! He would! He Would trun on his on Family & Freinds because he Swore an oath. Well that oath want mean a thing if Our Own Goverment turns on it's People.
William Blackstone. an English legal commentator(Lawer) for the framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said:
Read my Above statement Also: This would only apply if the Gov. turned on it's on people or tried to force the Country to to do what it's Majority wouldn't stand for.
Against 88-140 Million armed Americans the Goverment would have no choice but to lay down it's arms and do what the Majority called for.
If the Goverment went into complete anarchy then all VDF's,Law inforcement and all US Forces would have to decide if they would then turn on their own Father,Brother,Mother,Sister and all their Neighbors or any and All Forces not controlled By said Goverment to protect that Goverment that was out of control.
Thats what the Malitia was created for!
V&R's answer as he has already stated Yes! He would! He Would trun on his on Family & Freinds because he Swore an oath. Well that oath want mean a thing if Our Own Goverment turns on it's People.
William Blackstone. an English legal commentator(Lawer) for the framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said:
Read my Above statement Also: This would only apply if the Gov. turned on it's on people or tried to force the Country to to do what it's Majority wouldn't stand for.
Against 88-140 Million armed Americans the Goverment would have no choice but to lay down it's arms and do what the Majority called for.
mtbkski
Member
I'm not a member of a militia. But I think this is interesting thread.
For those of you that are slamming those that have chosen to be a member. Stop and look at yourselves (and get off your high horses). You have pistols, rifles, shotguns and ammunition stocked up in your house. You talk about defending yourselves in dire times, what is the best gun for self defense, what ammo is best one shot stopping powere. You will defend your home and family to the end. And then you say these guys are extremist. Hmmmm.
But what if things got really bad.
What if Katrina hit your town. What if four or five of your buddies got together after a disaster, or because your town was rioting (Rodney King night). Wouldn't you have technically, suddenly become a milita? Or are you just a armed citiziens (How will the police know the difference??).
God forbid something does happen. But if it would, wouldn't you and your buddies benefit from having gotten together and practiced some good commen sense techniques. When your all sitting in someones basement or attic and the city is rioting, who will make the decisions for your gang on what you should do. If you had formed a milita. These questions will have an answer for you.
Is there a difference between them (militia) and you (armed citizen)? I just think they have decided to take one more step. Just like you have decided to take one more step, by carrying a handgun when your neighbor don't (he probably thinks your a gun nut).
They are preparing for that one step that we hope never comes. But if it does, they probably got a better chance than most of us do. Good luck to all of you. Hope we never need you guys.
For those of you that are slamming those that have chosen to be a member. Stop and look at yourselves (and get off your high horses). You have pistols, rifles, shotguns and ammunition stocked up in your house. You talk about defending yourselves in dire times, what is the best gun for self defense, what ammo is best one shot stopping powere. You will defend your home and family to the end. And then you say these guys are extremist. Hmmmm.
But what if things got really bad.
What if Katrina hit your town. What if four or five of your buddies got together after a disaster, or because your town was rioting (Rodney King night). Wouldn't you have technically, suddenly become a milita? Or are you just a armed citiziens (How will the police know the difference??).
God forbid something does happen. But if it would, wouldn't you and your buddies benefit from having gotten together and practiced some good commen sense techniques. When your all sitting in someones basement or attic and the city is rioting, who will make the decisions for your gang on what you should do. If you had formed a milita. These questions will have an answer for you.
Is there a difference between them (militia) and you (armed citizen)? I just think they have decided to take one more step. Just like you have decided to take one more step, by carrying a handgun when your neighbor don't (he probably thinks your a gun nut).
They are preparing for that one step that we hope never comes. But if it does, they probably got a better chance than most of us do. Good luck to all of you. Hope we never need you guys.
mtbkski
Member
I'm sorry. But I don't see a big difference between those on this site and those that belong to the militia. Here is why.
What if tomorrow the goverment annouced that all firearms were illegal to own. And owning one would be a crime against the state. I'm sure you all would just stand up and turn your weapons in wouldn't you. (It happened in Ausrtrilia so don't say that won't happen) Or would you take a stand and refuse to do this. Hmmmm.
I wonder how many of you that say you would defend this goverment to the end have a Molon Labe t-shirt in your house. Hey, they sell them on this site. Isn't that open defiance against the State. Your telling them to "Come and get them". I believe that would be construed as a threat towards the goverment.
I wonder how many people told you that you were paranoid cause you carry a handgun all the time and have all those "assault weapons" in your house.
(No, I don't belong to a militia. But I am open minded and look at both sides)
What if tomorrow the goverment annouced that all firearms were illegal to own. And owning one would be a crime against the state. I'm sure you all would just stand up and turn your weapons in wouldn't you. (It happened in Ausrtrilia so don't say that won't happen) Or would you take a stand and refuse to do this. Hmmmm.
I wonder how many of you that say you would defend this goverment to the end have a Molon Labe t-shirt in your house. Hey, they sell them on this site. Isn't that open defiance against the State. Your telling them to "Come and get them". I believe that would be construed as a threat towards the goverment.
I wonder how many people told you that you were paranoid cause you carry a handgun all the time and have all those "assault weapons" in your house.
(No, I don't belong to a militia. But I am open minded and look at both sides)
ReadyAndVigilant
Member
shootist,
you couldn't be more wrong. the whole reason to serve is the serve family community and state. if you think otherwise, then you need to pull your head out your rear end. don't put words in my mouth -- never said I would turn a gun on anyone. i'm not in the business of turning a gun on anyone -- im in the business of saving the lives of the residents of this great state!
you have NO IDEA what you're talking about -- you have NO IDEA of the oath I've sworn before God, either! One part of the oath states "I will obey the orders of the officers, and NCOs, appointed over me, according to law and regulation." If I receive an unlawful order, I will not obey it (such as shooting citizens be it friends, family, etc.) just as ANY OTHER PART of the military in the country.
If there were "anarachy" as you stated, then I would not receive orders from command to be activated. I would be citizen, then I am looking out for my household.
Please know what the hell you're talking about before you try to speak for me again.
If you thought a lawful government had "turned on you" and you illegally fought against it-- then hell yes, I would defend it from the likes of paranoid people like you.
you couldn't be more wrong. the whole reason to serve is the serve family community and state. if you think otherwise, then you need to pull your head out your rear end. don't put words in my mouth -- never said I would turn a gun on anyone. i'm not in the business of turning a gun on anyone -- im in the business of saving the lives of the residents of this great state!
you have NO IDEA what you're talking about -- you have NO IDEA of the oath I've sworn before God, either! One part of the oath states "I will obey the orders of the officers, and NCOs, appointed over me, according to law and regulation." If I receive an unlawful order, I will not obey it (such as shooting citizens be it friends, family, etc.) just as ANY OTHER PART of the military in the country.
If there were "anarachy" as you stated, then I would not receive orders from command to be activated. I would be citizen, then I am looking out for my household.
Please know what the hell you're talking about before you try to speak for me again.
If you thought a lawful government had "turned on you" and you illegally fought against it-- then hell yes, I would defend it from the likes of paranoid people like you.
Gun Geezer
Member
Duh
If you live in the US and are not active military you are in the militia.
If you live in the US and are not active military you are in the militia.
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Nope. I'd have to go to drill once a month and that's once a month too many. Besides, militia musters aren't what they use to be. The 19th Century militia muster were frolics where one took a day off from work, traded horses, pretend to have wage war, drink a lot, eat a lot and raise Cain. Now, if it was on company time and I was paid to go, you betcha. Especially if they were like the blackpowder rendezvous with all the games and food.
BTW, California does have an unpaid militia. Kentucky still has one and KFC's Col. Sanders was really a Kentucky Colonel. South Carolina still has one and I'm given to believe that graduates of The Citadel may receive a commission in it whether they elect to serve in the regular armed forces or not.
BTW, California does have an unpaid militia. Kentucky still has one and KFC's Col. Sanders was really a Kentucky Colonel. South Carolina still has one and I'm given to believe that graduates of The Citadel may receive a commission in it whether they elect to serve in the regular armed forces or not.
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