Are you at all willing to give Zumbo a second chance?

[mpmarty]

NO!

Even if I felt he was truly contrite which I don't, he has crossed the line and needs to be literally drawn and quartered as an example to those politicians who espouse support for the second amendment and may or may not be as fervent as they claim to be.. This is more of an object lesson to others than a punishment for zumbo.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

New acronym from Missouricarry.com:


SNAZU

 

[James Lee]

No.

 

[taliv]

what i think would be very interesting would be to see the average ages of the people would forgive zumbo verses the ages of the people advocating physical violence and torture.

 

[SuperNaut]

40.

Maybe we need a poll?

 

[Striker]

what i think would be very interesting would be to see the average ages of the people would forgive zumbo verses the ages of the people advocating physical violence and torture

51

 

[Speer]

I don't know yet.

But it's gonna be real hard to walk away from his call to ban a type of gun. That cut to the bone.

 

[hksw]

IMO, for him to be a very long time hunter and not accept other forms of platforms and disciplines up to this point leads me to believe that his views are ingrain with no chance of true change. Also IMO, his initial post stating that his views would go against the views of others indicates that he did indeed think about his post thoroughly before uploading it. His apology stating he was tired and not thinking clearly rang hollow to me.

No.

 

[Striker]

Jim Zumbo is on Ted Nugent's forum...right now, real time.


http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html

 

[MDHunter]

With a Lot of Work and Evidence...

Ever hear of John Lott, guys? You know - the author of "More Guns, Less Crime"??

He was an ANTI before he started looking into the facts and statistics - and being an economist by profession, he knew how to look at statistics. Once he pored over the numbers, he changed his mind, and is now an avid proponent of citizen gun ownership.

There are a LOT of hunters that feel like Zumbo out of ignorance. He could be a good asset in helping to educate them, as he needs to educate himself. IF he does that, and works hard at it, I'm willing to reconsider - but I'll be watching, and it will take concerted effort to convince me.

Heck, I didn't even used to vote when I was in my 20s. 'cause I thought my vote wouldn't make any difference. Now I not only vote, but write my Congresscritters and urge them to support RKBA. If I can step away from my ignorance and change, I believe others can as well.

Michael

 

[carterbeauford]

Simply, no. No one who supports gun control deserves a second chance by the gun community. We need unity, not division. Zumbo is a divider and not needed.

His credibility, in the use of the word terrorist, is ruined. So, no. Sorry.

 

[Outlaw Man]

As far as I'm concerned he has permanently lost his privaleges as a spokesman for 2A related topics. As a gun guru and avid hunter I still respect him, and I think he'd be a blast to go on a hunt with or sit around and talk about guns.

He's just not the man to replace the Colonel.

 

[innerpiece]

just because I dont agree with someones opinion, does not maen they should not have the right to be part of a community I am part of.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I want to point out this post, which is from the Nuge forum that Jim posted on a few moments ago:

Red21 said:This has got to be the biggest dis-service anyone has ever done for the firearms community! Zumbo has attacked the one true sport that I love!!! I do not accept your apology and I now put Ted Nugent in the same category as you! You are both equally worthless and have done the Brady campaign a great favor! At this very moument a bill is in congress to once again ban firearms. People like the two of you are going to turn this country into Nazi Germany! AR15s are one of the most poular fiream in production right now. Banning then and other firearms will cause alot of people to loose there jobs and the effects will be alot more widespread than just the manufactuers!

I hope you and Ted Nugent both burn in hell for you comments and wanting to ban firearms. You have both sinned! You are neither hunters or true sportsmen and never will be!!!

That is simply wrong in every way. I'm not sure if this Red21 guy is here, so I'm not really responding to him, just pointing out his post to you guys. The Nuge invites Jim to learn about ARs and now he is lumped in with Jim? He hopes they burn in hell? They are turning America into Nazi Germany? Really? Nazi Germany? Posts and statement like Red21s are just as much of a disservice to gun owners as Jim's was. That kind of pure-emotional rage filled diatribe is simply juvenile and pointless. People like Red21 are damaging RKBA as well.

 

[MDHunter]

Easy There, Taurusowner...

while I agree with you that the post by Red21 on Nuge is a little harsh, Zumbo seems to be doing pretty well on the thread in terms of people accepting his apology and encouraging him to help us with 2A. ALthough the post is a biut heated, I don't think there's any way we can compare his post to Zumbo's original blog, in terms of RKBA damages.

Michael

 

[Groovski]

I think some gun owners (Fudds) have simply adopted the mentality of the general public, fed by the antis. For a picture of how it should be, check out things in Switzerland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caroline-Migros-p1000507.jpg

There are no Zumbos in Switzerland, apparently. Think that could ever happen here? A large swath of the public would need to be educated as to what constitutional gun ownership is all about, i.e. it's not hunting. They have to be taught that it's a whole lot safer and your liberty is guaranteed with guns around than not.

Frankly, I think hunting is currently in more vulnerable to being banned than gun ownership. In any jurisdiction where politicians don't fear a voting block, it can be banned without violating the constitution. Sure, you can keep your gun, for now, but you can't hunt with it - that's not protected. I don't hunt, but I'm more committed than ever to cover the backs of hunters in the voting booth.

Any wedge between between black rifle guys and fudds can be exploited by salivating rights eliminators. So, in a way, I think this whole Zumbo thing was good, since it appears to have opened a lot of eyes, and has the potential to open a lot more, and unite gun owners in a way we don't appear to have been united before.

As angry as I was over the terrorist comment, to the degree Zumbo went on a rampage for his remaining years to reeducate hunters like him about what 2A is all about, yes, I'd forgive him.

 

[carterbeauford]

just because I dont agree with someones opinion, does not maen they should not have the right to be part of a community I am part of.

It does when they are a threat to the community.

Zumbo is the enemy, not sure where the confusion lies in this.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Yes, but with some extreme reservations.

Jim Zumbo has a lot of learning to do first.

Right now, I don't think he even understands _why_ he was wrong. He's still proceeding from the basis that the AR's redemption is its utility as a bambi zapper.

What I left on his site after his "apology" was something like, "Well, Jim, you've been knocked off your ass on the road to Damascus. We'll see..."

I think we have to leave the door a little bit open for geniune penitence and conversion.

The reason is that it's more than Jim Zumbo. Jim Zumbo is a proxy for Elmer Fuddites everywhere, any of whom once shocked out of their complacency may come to see the light.

 

[Striker]

Hmmm...as of 1240 Hrs EST, neither Ted Nugent nor Jim Zumbo have posted after their initial posts at at 1149 Hrs EST.

Initial response from board members were running 10 to 1 in support of Jim Zumbo. The natives are now getting a bit restless and asking some pretty tough questions and not getting any responses...

I'm not a member, so can't see if either are still logged in.

 

[Working Man]

I have a big problem with people that bend like reeds in the wind.

He is only saying sorry because of the grief he is getting. To be convinced
and believe is one thing, to sway with the prevailing winds is quite another.

 

[Titan6]

The Unforgivable Sin

And for he that hath denied the holy spirit of the second ammendment there shall be no forgiveness. He shall forever more be known as a sinner and unbeliever and you shall shun him for the rest of his days. He hath no place amongst you and shall be cast aside as a dented shell casing and be left lain helpless among the wolves of the Brady.

And for our Hebrew folks:
For he hath been cast out from you and shall forever more bear the mark of Zumbo. And for anyone that touches a hair upon his head shall suffer all the torments of hell and know death so speaketh the .....

Give me a break.

if you are not even at all willing to even consider forgiveness than you must know everything now, even the future and have some kind of special ability to look into the hearts and minds of men that no one else on earth has. You also must also not make mistakes ever again knowing you will not be forgiven. But IMHO you need to grow up.

 

[Striker]

Best post/question in the Nugent forum so far.



quote:
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Originally posted by Powercat:
Do I look like a terrorist??




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quote:
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Originally posted by dbcooper222:
Hey NUGE, when you and Zumbo do the AR hunt you need to drag this lady with ya.
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I'd go!!! Not just for the hunt, but to show ALL (legal) people have the right to bear arms, and that the 2nd-A comes first!!!!


Powercat gets it!

 

[Groovski]

Reading Zumbo's new apology:

http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html

He still doesn't get it, imo. He sounds like he's saying he can't believe he was stupid enough to say terrorist and ban - but no apology, and no direct admission of how wrong those terms were.

Then he says he's as pro-hunting as ever. It's as if 2A is all about hunting in his view.

????

 

[only1asterisk]

I have a big problem with people that bend like reeds in the wind.

He is only saying sorry because of the grief he is getting. To be convinced
and believe is one thing, to sway with the prevailing winds is quite another.

Well said. Zumbo can't undo what he has done. If he gets a writing gig anywhere I'll go after his sponsors. I intend to do my very best to thwart any future this man has in any firearm related industry.


David

 

[Professor K]

16 years old.

Yeah, I'm willing to give him a second chance.

However, I think he probably wont be able to prove himself. He does not understand the second amendment, maybe he will understand it someday.

I guess if he could help fight HR 1022, then I'd at least think differently of them. One guy on the Nuge board did say this:

This is what happens when one succombs to the constant propagandan liberialism thrown at you 24/7/365.
You actually start believing the message!

Kind of like the same evils thrown on our kids every day via, radio, newspaper, television and the web.

You eventually turn into a finger pointer without realizing that you've already abandoned the moral ground you so vehemntly previously defended.

I dont really think that happened, though, maybe it did.

I just dont like "Hey I like black rifles cuz I found out you can hunt with them, too." The whole notion of 2a being about hunting, or even the illegalization of hunting is foolish. See, before grocery stores, hunting was required to have meat on the table, and no government would prevent that. And even states with horrible gun laws still have legalized hunting, because really, while some people do hunt for sustinence, hunting is becoming a aristocratic activity in USA like it is in Europe.

I guess if he used his money to go buy a bunch of black rifles and then like give them to every THR member, he'd be forgiven.