Jim Zumbo did a great thing for the RKBA.

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Everyone's screaming that the guy gave ammo to AWB advocates, but I'd like to offer my perspective on the true significance of his case. Let's review what happened:

Zumbo wrote a few paragraphs smearing modern-looking rifles and their owners and said such weapons should be banned from use by hunters.

Thousands of angry comments were posted on the OL website, and huge threads resulted in every gun-related discussion forum. Numerous people pledged to boycott all of Zumbo's sponsors.

As a result, prominent companies and publications trembled in their boots. Remington, Mossy Oak, Cabela's, Hi Mountain Seasoning and others abruptly severed all ties with him. Remington executives were practically groveling at the feet of the angry throng with their hurried email apologies.

Zumbo's career came to an immediate and shameful end. His TV show, his column and his entire public presence are history, and this all happened in less than a week following his original blog post.

What message do you think this sends to politicians who are contemplating voting on an AWB?

Keep in mind that after Zumbo came under attack, he received no comfort from the Bradys, the hunting snobs or anyone else. It was an overwhelmingly one-sided conflict. And in politics, the people that matter are the ones who get active and shout the loudest.

In this case, the RKBA side launched a huge and passionate campaign in response to a few paragraphs on a website, and the other side didn't even bother to show up. For elected officials, the writing is on the wall: attacking modern rifles will make legions of enemies and very few friends.

Furthermore, I haven't seen any anti-gun groups using Zumbo's words. I just looked over the Brady Campaign, Gun Guys, Violence Policy Center and some other anti sites and I didn't see one word about Zumbo. In other words, this whole thing was a huge win for our side. Jim's self-destruction probably went a long way toward preventing AWB2.

Edited for those who saw this post as an attack on religion.
 
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Mr. Zumbo did something foolish. All the people that responded have done the great thing. It isn't finished. We still need to bring the shooting community together, but it's been a good start.

David
 
^ You guys beat me to it. Couldn't even take your post seriously after I read that. Not to mention your analogy was completely off, the majority of the great nation are "nutjobs" according to you, very much in proportion to numbers.
 
Regardless of your stance on the issue(s) of fundamentalism and creationism, it's a valid point. Creationism, maybe. Fundamentalism, certainly. Fundies are effective because they squeal as loud as possible as often as possible.

Sort of like anti-gunners.

Doesn't make them right or wrong; It just means that a comparatively small number of them can cause a comparatively large amount of trouble (or change, depending on how you want to look at it).
 
I dunno, I think nutjobs is a pretty good description of people who let their kids die rather than take them to see doctors or form polygamous communes in Arizona. But the fact remains, the RKBA side spoke with one voice in the wake of Zumbo and the anti side was missing in action.
 
The key word is "terrorist" and "terrorize" and his belief that firearms should only be owned for the purpose of hunting otherwise it's "terrorism". Had he acknowledged that in his apology he may have been able to keep his job. For an update on Zumbo check Ted Nugent's site.

As for the creationism vs fundamentalism issue, the problem with the two groups is that they find their beliefs incompatible with the others and their demand that their beliefs be indoctrinated by the State while excluding the other. Not to mention that it's way off topic. The OP obviously belongs to one of the groups as shown by his emotional mention of the issue and his own bigotry with the word "nutjobs" associated with the single side of the issue. Not exactly the type of tolerance of other's beliefs one would expect from an enlightened individual.
 
I agree with only1asterisk.

Zumbo didn't do a great thing for RKBA with his recent blunder. The gun owning community did a great thing by getting off their collective lazy arse, and shouting at the top of their lungs.

Momentum... lets keep it rolling.
 
I don't know.
I never go to the anti's web sites because I don't enjoy reading stupid crap, but I've seen posts that claim the brady bunch are already using Zumbo's stupidity against us.

As far as influencing politicians? I doubt anything we do worries them much. The last election showed them that gun owners continue to be too lazy to even vote.

This will all blow over in a few days, except the antis will be quoting Zumbo for some time to come.
I think Zombo's ego and elitest attitude surely bought us another AWB.:fire:
 
This is why creationist and fundie nutjobs have influence so out of proportion to their numbers.

The point regarding undue influence can be made without attacking other THR members. This comment was incredibly offensive to some among us. Definitely not taking the high road. As to numbers, there may be more of us than you seem to think, and we're not all ignorant, radical wackos like you also seem to think.

I don't mean to start any sort of debate regarding creationism or religion as that is completely off topic for this forum. Just remember that we are a diverse community here that comes together for one issue only. We should all be respectful of other perspectives on non gun related issues.

That being said, I totally agree with your assesment of the whole Zumbo episode. That is after I calmed down and stopped seeing red due to the attack on my deeply held personal beliefs.
 
nutjobs is a pretty good description of people who let their kids die rather than take them to see doctors or form polygamous communes in Arizona
Neither of whom are fundamentalists.:fire:

Fundamentalists are those who have given their lives to Jesus and have accepted Him as Lord and Savior. And virtually every Fundamentalist I know is a gun owner and completely in favor of RKBA.

Do you realize that this idiotic thread has just DIVIDED gun owners? How many of US fundamentalists do you think are on this very board?!?! :banghead: :banghead:

ETA: And you're right. The people you mentioned in the line I quoted are nutjobs.

John 3:16
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Gun owners too lazy to vote? Maybe the Democrats won partly because they stayed away from gun control as an issue and didn't alienate the gun-owning public. Gun owners were anything but lazy in the way they dealt with Zumbo.

The Democrats learned the price of RKBA opposition in 1994 with the Republican revolution, and the same thing just played out on a smaller stage with Zumbo. Any politician who ignores these two examples is a fool.
 
Zumbo got a ton of people all over the country to vote. However, gun ownership is too fractured in this country to make a huge difference. Imagine if 2,000,000 people e-mailed Remington and OL about Zumbo. 1,000,000 came from NYC and 1,000,000 came from LA. That would make ZERO difference in the polls since those cities are notoriously liberal. And lets face it, we all know a gun owner (or two or three) that figures "They'll never ban my type of gun" and don't bother to vote. Try to convert them, and it falls on deaf ears.

I agree Zumbo garnered a huge response, but it was a drop in the bucket.
 
Well, so much for this thread. This habit we have to attack others comments/words will not further our common goal. We made ourselves felt this past week, stand proud and pour it on HR1022.
 
The whole point is that absolute numbers don't matter. NYC and LA don't have enough Congressional representation to pass an AWB single-handedly. It's obvious that the pro-gun side is much more invested in preserving the RKBA than the anti side is in destroying it. Any politician who doesn't have a totally safe incumbent position in an anti-gun district will see that anti-gun votes will shift the balance against them.

Whoever's right, time will tell. HR 1022 has zero co-sponsors as of now.
 
Yea

Regardless of your stance on the issue(s) of fundamentalism and creationism, it's a valid point. Creationism, maybe. Fundamentalism, certainly. Fundies are effective because they squeal as loud as possible as often as possible.

Sort of like anti-gunners

Kinda like "The squeaky wheel gets the oil"... Well its time for a new "Dumbo" inspired saying... how about:

"The squeaky wheel gets... REPLACED":D
 
The whole point is that absolute numbers don't matter.

Not anymore.
The whole point now is that you've offended a great deal of people - again, much larger than you think - and expect us to accept your removal of the offensive phrase from your original post in place of an apology.

In that respect, that makes Zumbo a better man than you. He didn't delete his blog post and distract everyone with something else.

Zumbo also admitted that he doesn't know anything about the issue at hand and has promised to look into it. You have not done this either. The fact that you equate fundamental biblical religions with Christian Scientists belies your ignorance of the issue and I would ask you to further your own knowledge before making similar statements in the future.

This is, by the way, not an apology for Zumbo. This is simply taking you up on your advice of screaming as loudly as possible.
 
I'm going to close this simply because the thread got off on the wrong foot and is probably not redeemable now. Better to start fresh than to have to continually steer people away from the hot-button topics of religion & abortion!

Please feel free to reopen it, or append it to the bottom of the monster Zumbo thread. Either way.

pax
 
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