Are you at all willing to give Zumbo a second chance?

Are you at all willing to give Zumbo a second chance?

  • Yes, if he really changes, I would welcome him back.

    Votes: 165 39.9%

  • No. No amount of change can ever make me tolerate him again.

    Votes: 249 60.1%
  • Total voters
    414
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Methinks most who cry "I'll never accept him back" never cared that much about him in the first place - if they knew of him at all. Nothing to lose is easy to take.

I read his second apology today. Better than the first, and heading in the right direction, but with a long way to go. When he writes an apology stating "you know, these EBRs really are important to national security - I'm sorry I said those mean nasty stupid things, I was an ignorant fool, and I'm going to spend some of my time defending not only semiautomatics of every configuration, but gol-dang it I think I'm going to pull what strings I can to restore our right to have select-fire M4s. What I said before was completely wrong, ignorant, and stupid. The 2nd Amendment is, in fact, not about hunting, and those with EBRs are patriots, not terrorists."

People can be forgiven for far worse.
 
I've had it with Zumbo!

Mr. Zumbo is an elitist of the worst kind. First he told us that if we rode quads and dismounted them to hunt that it still wasn't "fair chase", but it's fine for him to hire an expensive guide that will take him directly to trophy animals and all but hold his hand and that was the acceptable and honorable way to harvest game. Now it's that if our firearms don't fit in to his aesthetical parameters than we are not the same level of citizen or hunter he is. I'm tired of his opinions and will not be buying any more Outdoor Life until they change their opinions about the 2a.
 
No...but with qualifications

It is too easy to try to apologize and try to make it go away. He is no more enlightened about guns now than he was before the shot himself in the foot. We will never know how much damage he has caused.
Actually, (at the risk of waffling) I can forgive him if I thought he was sincere but, I would not release the hold on his sponsors. The man is too stupid to be in his former position.
We have it bad enough in the gun world without guys like this.:uhoh:
 
JZ was on a pedestal along with barrels of ink. He spilled his ink and it was hot. Searing molten lead hot and he spilled it on every one who followed him. He spilled it across a dozen different various shooting sports participants who never knew who he was.
The Bradys don't care who he was talking about. This statement only agreed with taking EBRs away. They don't care how they do it. They did this in the UK and Australia following horrible incidents when they went after everything! They may only be working up speed for this deed after another election to gain a bigger majority. I do not mean Dems. Liberals and antis are on both sides of the house and senate. Why play this game their way.

Trust is broken. Not bent or even bruised.

Nuges welcome home thread is up to 765. Firestorm continues.
 
He has had his chance, several of them in fact. He blew it on Gun Talk, and he also blew it in his posting on Nuge's site.

If you listen to him or read what he writes, you see that he still thinks that it is about hunting ("I have learned that you CAN hunt with an AR15" Duh.).

Guess what, Zumbo, the 2nd Amendment has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with hunting. Even if my preferred militia weapon had zero utility as a hunting weapon it would still not be a terrorist weapon and it should never be banned.

The fact that the enemies of freedom have taken comfort in his words shows that he is no friend of gun owners.
 
I voted "Yes." The qualifier is a killer though. How can we be sure whether he has really changed? That will be hard to sell. But in principle, everybody deserves a second chance, or the opportunity to receive forgiveness. Unlike those who think he's done some kind of irrepreable harm that feeds the ferver of the Brady bunch, I think he's unwittingly done us a favor. There are probably lots of others like him, who didn't "get it" before, who might now realize their fate rests with ours too.
 
Voted Yes

. . . if he really changes . . .
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However, I now begin to despair that "really changes" will ever happen.

His latest "apology" addresses all the hunters he might have offended, and admits that he might have been wrong about the hunting aspects of certain rifles and how he's going to help heal the hunting community.

Which is great because, after all, when the Framers said
"A well-regulated hunting party being necessary to the feeding of a nation's population, the right of the people to keep and bear rifles shall not be trampled, much."​
they were really, really serious.
 
I'm going to put my flame suit on, because I know some of this is going to hurt a lot of your feelings...but I think it has to be said.

I think what Zumbo said was one of the most ignorant and stupid things that a "gunny" could possibly say. But I think his statement was made out of ignorance, and not out of malice.

I think that he deserved to be fired for his stupid comments. I think he shoud have lost his show, magazines, and forums for blogging. Zumbo said a lot of hurtful things, and burned a lot of bridges.

But I feel sorry for those who cannot forgive other people. I truly do. I believe they have a lot of feelings of personal inadequacies, and are generally just miserable people to be around, and probably lead unhappy and unfulfilling lives.

Forgiving and forgetting, however, are two completely different things. I forgive Zumbo like I would forgive anyone who wronged me, or committed a crime. That doesn't mean I would trust them or forget about the things that they did. I think (I hope) that a lot of people have those two words confused (forgive/forget.)

If Zumbo wants to get back in the good graces of "gunnies," then he needs to seriously re-educate himself. He needs to become an advocate for the good fight, and join every 2nd Amendment group he can. He needs to atone for his misdeed, and words simply won't cut it. Neither will hiding behind whatever friends he has left in the gun world. Only actions can bring him back into the fold.

Stinger
 
I think he made a mistake. I think he made a BIG mistake. I think there is a reason that most of us can understand if we try.
For many years he has been provided with some of the finest sporting rifles in the world, with fine walnut stocks, and great scopes, with no perception of cost, or of the "disposable income" of the average gun owner. He had no reason to settle for a 150$ sks to hunt with, so he would have a second shot when he needed it. The rifles he was hunting with were probably three thousand dollars, including their optics, and capable of minute of angle shots, if he did his part. for all of his adult life the rifles he has hunted with are probably "works of art", of course he looks down on what we have. He had guides in the hundreds of dollars per day class hired for him.

I do not know if he ever claimed to support the second ammendment or not. I do not even care if he did. The comments he made prove him to want to ban some guns from some people. My second ammendment is black and white, there is no grey area around EBRs or plastic handguns. I do not have to hunt to own them.

His comments said, "I want to ban some guns".... that makes him my enemy.
I AM a 2nd ammendment absolutist, and I also do not know if that is a real word, but I think we can infer the meaning.

( No, I do not think we should ban his expensive, high tech supermag, with the fancy circassion walnut, trigger by timney, barrel by clarke, enlarged safety by three toes engineering, and magazine welded shut by joe's welding)... Like I said,,, second ammendment absolutist. see below.
 
Well, on the one hand, his words were appaling. On the other, anyone with internet access and an interest in anything has posted something stupid and mortally embarassing that came back to bite them in the posterior at one point or another. Give me two beers and a keyboard, and I'll tell you more than you ever wanted to know about my opinions on disaster response, including some outright slander and incitement to violence. Still, nothing on the order of "terrorist rifles". Plenty of avid enthusiasts who're good with a word processor want his job more than he apparently does, and hey, that is a seriously sweet job. So I guess yes, I'd take Jim to the range to shoot AR's with me, but No, I will no longer, for the time being consider his byline to add value to any outdoor/shooting magazine.

Then again, I had to sell off several guns when my state AWB passed. I've never shot anything bigger than a porcupine (1), turkey(1), or squirrel (several). Zumbo's been killing little furry creatures since before I had teeth. Apparently he was nailing prarie dogs and leaving their little corpses to rot while I was spending my Saturdays trying to make the Jr. Olympics and the USA shooting team. I'm a forgiving sort, but his remarks were vicious. I really do want to know why he said what he did. I wanted to go to Camp Perry and shoot service rifle... and now I'm a terrorist with a terrorist rifle? That's a powerful insult to anyone involved in any kind of organized marksmanship competition.
 
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I voted no.

Sitting here thinking. It is true the world as he knew it has fallen all around him. But Mr. Zumbo has been given a rare opportunity. He has a lifetime involvement with hunting and firearms and that has come to an end. He is now the poster boy for the Brady campaign. How sad.

As he said in one of his apologies, he could retire. And that is exactly what he should do. It is time Mr. Zumbo, time to fight the fight. Do not allow yourself, your name, to become a verb, a cliché. You can make a difference. You have the skills, the name recognition. Be a force in uniting all members of the firearm community to stand as one. Go fight for us in Washington. Stand up for our rights and I promise you , you will one day be a better man for it.

Yes Mr. Zumbo, you have been given a rare opportunity …..

Good luck.
 
Everyone desires a second chance in life I've screwed up more times than I can count and learned from my mistakes for the most part. Give him a chance and see if he repeats or repents. At this point we have nothing to lose and perhaps a lot to gain.
 
I had never heard of Zumbo before this whole fiasco.

I guess I'm not so mad about what he said as other people because I don't have a good visceral grasp of "what he represents"; to me, he doesn't represent much, anymore.

As for the "terrorist rifle" carp, well, I get slapped with that fish all the time. Sometimes even from "wood rifle" enthusiasts, or shotgun bird hunters, though mostly from antis.

If I let every one of 'em get to me my brain would explode. So I don't. As far as I'm concerned, Zumbo is just another jerk. So, if he changes his tune, and does good works, why not welcome him back? Some of the biggest firearms / 2A enthusiasts I know started out as hardcore antis. If they can come around, surely some guy who already likes guns can.
 
ArfinGreebly said:
His latest "apology" addresses all the hunters he might have offended, and admits that he might have been wrong about the hunting aspects of certain rifles and how he's going to help heal the hunting community.

Which is great because, after all, when the Framers said

"A well-regulated hunting party being necessary to the feeding of a nation's population, the right of the people to keep and bear rifles shall not be trampled, much."

they were really, really serious.
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No, that's not what it means, and we all know that. But the fact that he recognizes that he screwed up is the first step in him being able to learn the truth about the 2A. If he apologizes, and just gets continually slapped back, he has no incentive to listen to us, and it stays all about hunting. Getting him to pick up the military arm with minimal hunting utility is the first step in getting him to recognize 2A for what it is.
 
Zumbo's second apology shows he still doesn't get it. He whines about being unaware of how many people hunt with EBRs. Well, the Second Amendment isn't about hunting, it's about the right to keep and bear arms. Since Zumbo still hasn't made that connection it's obvious that either he's extremely ignorant, he really does hate anything resembling a military rifle or he's hoping that if the anti's eliminate "assault" weapons that they'll leave hunting rifles and shotguns alone. Irregardless, the man has done all firearms owners a great disservice with his idiotic remarks and he's only compounded the damage with his half-hearted apologies.
 
highlander 5 wrote...

Everyone desires a second chance in life I've screwed up more times than I can count and learned from my mistakes for the most part. Give him a chance and see if he repeats or repents. At this point we have nothing to lose and perhaps a lot to gain.
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The following is from Zumbo's second apology...

I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes.

For someone in his line of business this level of ignorance is unbelievable. But that aside, it's obvious that he only supports AR-15 ownership for "legitimate hunting purposes". This clearly shows that Zumbo still doesn't get it. The Second Amendment isn't about hunting rights, it's about the right to keep and bear arms, regardless of cosmetic features. This man is not a brother in arms. He sees me and every other EBR owner as a terrorist and a pariah. He would gladly watch us be disarmed, smug with the satisfaction that the antis only want to confiscate "assault rifles". If nothing else, I hope this wakes up the Fudds, because anyone who thinks the antis will be satisfied after all handguns and "assault rifles" are confiscated will be in for a rude awakening when they come for his hunting rifle, his shotgun and even his single shot .22 that's been in the family for 100 years. Because the Brady Bunch and their ilk will never be satisfied. If every gun was actually confiscated they'd just start work on banning something else.
 
whether or not he is forgivable is moot.

he's lost credibility. period.

he is irrelevent, except to the proleteriats at Brady et al. who will milk him.

p.s. i won't forgive him in a million years. bastard.
 
Depending on what he does, yes I can forgive him. At one time, I was ok with gun control and that position was entirely based on ignorance. I do believe people can change. We need all the supporters we can get.
 
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