Fatelvis
Member
Anecdotal? WoW.......Excuse me Elmer, I gotta get a dictionary!
Anecdotal? WoW.......Excuse me Elmer, I gotta get a dictionary!
I don't hunt with ball.
Of course, most of us don't ammo designed for anti-personnel use to hunt deer either (opting to use ammo actually designed for hunting instead).
Tuner, you`ve gotta admit ball feeds the most reliably in the vast majority of 45s. Ive had about 20-25 in my life so far, and ball was the default in most of them, if they had problems feeding H&G 68s or HPs. (Although, all but two of mine were straight from the box, with no tuning).As for ball being "ultra reliable in any gun"...No, it's not. I've had more than a few pistols on my bench that would feed hollowpoints and choke on ball.
I beleive it was DiMaio who said he never saw fatal wound with a JHP that wouldn't be fatal with a FMJ.
>>Hi, Friends!
I'm not trying to start another beef on 'stopping power'... just a question here:
Are you generally comfortable carrying 230 Ball Ammo in your .45 Auto?<<
**********************
Sorry Striker...Some topics just naturally tend to go off on a tangent.
Arrows were used alot longer than bullets have been. They killed lots of people. Maybe we should go back to THEM.
>>Short of Yes and No answers.... I don't think this topic went too far off topic<<
****************
Well...Ain't that kinda what he asked for when he started the thread?
Yes or No?
Maybe I just need to stop bein' so subtle...Tough for me to be a straighforward mod, but I'm startin' to see how it's necessary sometimes.
1911 Tuner wrote:
Ball Folklore
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Elmer said:
>.45 ball's reputation is a little overrated, much of it based on folklore.<
******************
That's a fact...but I don't think it was as much folklore as it was the conditions that it was used under 90% of the time.
For the most part .45 ACP ball has been used mostly in the military arena against exhausted, possibly half-starved infantrymen who weren't hyped up on drugs and who haven't spent a good part of their adult lives pumping iron
in the prison exercise yard. This isn't to suggest that .45 hardball should be
UNDER rated either. I've seen firsthand the immediate results of close-range wounds from ball, and the resulting wounds are most assuredly nasty affairs,
and yes...one well-placed round will do the trick in most cases...especially if it hits bone. Remember too, that for every round of ball that fired from a pistol, a thousand were fired from a submachinegun at close range...which likely resulted in a good number of multiple hits.
Cooper rates ball at 95% one-shot effectiveness...and that's probably true
when used against weary foot soldiers, and probably pretty close to that
against an average man who isn't pumped on drugs or muscled up on steroids
and barbells. The stronger and the better conditioned the adversary is...the
less likelihood of any round producing instant incapacitation, and RN ball will fall to maybe 50 or 60% against some people. This is why we don't buy into
the "One-Shot Stop" theory, or buy into the "Ultimate Manstopper" hype.
Truthfully, any pistol caliber is a pretty wimpy thing to rely on to stop a serious and determined antagonist...so we shoot until he's either down...
or until we're out of ammo...or hopefully stun him badly enough to give us time to unass the AO. This idea of executing tactical reloads while engaging in a running gunfight and trying to gain "fire superiority" while you maneuver to "close with the enemy" can easily get you killed...and even if you survive, you may then be subject to criminal action, since the very action of movin' in and takin' out the bad guys turns YOU into the aggressor. These are situations better met by military units and SWAT/SET teams...not the private citizen trying to come out on top of a deadly threat.
The pistol's role is to meet an unexpected emergency, and its main advantage is that it's always with you if you need it...not because it's the
best tool for the job. Your mission is to survive the attack and go home...
not to be a hero. The best way to do that is to hit your attacker two or three times and get the hell out if at all possible. In that, hardball will probably serve you well.