Arizona moves to allow concealed guns in bars

[JHK94]

Totally. I don't know if it is regional or what, but I never saw one until I moved to Arizona, and I was pretty surprised.

 

[youngda9]

I have never tried to kill anyone while under the influence. We are allowed to carry in bars here in Indiana...no problems.

Only the criminals do bad with weapons...remember that.

 

[Sam1911]

I have gotten into too many fights with people in bars to think allowing firearms is a good idea.

Certainly, if this kind of statement applies to you, then carrying a weapon is right out the window.

If you've had "too many fights" in bars, then you clearly enter with the willing acceptance that you can, and will, participate in bar fights. Otherwise, once would have been enough -- you would avoid these bars entirely as the certainty of violence places you at too great a risk.

[rant]
And, really, how irresponsible is it to say, "I'm going out drinking and there's a 25% chance I'll end up in a fight. Better leave my gun at home as that would make the whole thing too dangerous!" A fight is a life-and-death situation, whether you realize it or not. Going out to a local bar for a rumble is a very dangerous way to let off steam.

As many, many others have said, "never go anywhere with a gun that you wouldn't dare go WITHOUT a gun." I'd add, don't go into a dangerous spot WITHOUT a gun if you wouldn't go WITH one. A handgun is what you carry when you're NOT expecting trouble. If you ARE expecting trouble, DON'T GO.

This comes up from time to time and it never ceases to amaze me. Folks claim to be so devoted to their right to self-defense that they carry 24/7 and talk about being in "Condition Yellow" or "Condition Orange," but, come Saturday night, they'll not only disarm, but willingly enter a common location for violent interaction and publicly intoxicate themselves, thus lowering their awareness and reaction times.

What is the benefit? Is the lousy bar beer so great that you would willingly put yourself in harm's way? It's fine to say "one drunk shooting another" looks bad. But you sure look SMART sitting in the back of a police cruiser with a black eye and wondering how you're going to pay for the juke box the other guy destroyed with your head. Hey, at least I was RESPONSIBLE and didn't carry a gun in there!

Nice.
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-Sam

 

[larry_minn]

`Far as I know MN is still legal to carry in bars. IIRC as long as I am UNDER .04back I am good. (as I don't drink its not a issue I watch) Otherwise I couldn't go out for chow at most local places. The food brings folks in the bar makes them money.
Heck the only thing I have EVER heard regards this (guns in bar) was before MN went to "shall issue" A gent in bar was being bothered by another. The local went outside and came back in as the "out of towner" was getting loud about what a coward the local was. Said local DID give him a chance to cool down (I am told he did NOT esculate) Well the out of towner got his fight. (I was told it was rather short) and the local went back to his drink. After the other guy left a friend of mine (who told me story) said he asked the local why he left. "I had to put my gun in my truck because I KNEW I would have to deck that guy sooner or later"
While the "smarter" move is to leave... It does stink that you are supposed to leave YOUR local bar becaue of a mouthy POS.

 

[HarryB]

S I G N E D!!!!

I am no longer a criminal at Olive Garden lunchtime salad and breadsticks--except for maybe having questionable choice of dining there...

 

[armoredman]

I didn't see it signed yet on ALIS or AZCDL.org, but I can hope so.

 

[Morrell]

I could care less about bars. What does matter for the average person is being able to walk into a O'Charley's, etc... And defend myself if needed.

 

[CountGlockula]

Governor hasn't signed yet.

 

[MikkOwl]

As long as the people who intake mind altering drugs are not having a firearm on them in establishments and places with people in them, it seems like a good idea to let the clear minded ones carry.

I could care less about bars.

This is one of the strangest phrasings among native English speakers. Somewhere along the road, people stopped questioning what they were saying literally and just repeated a saying they heard. What you just said is that you care about bars, because you can indeed care less about it than you do. I wonder when this kind of switch came along, because it's pretty common to see people make this mistake these days. The real phrasing is "I could NOT care less about.."

I have never tried to kill anyone while under the influence. We are allowed to carry in bars here in Indiana...no problems.
Only the criminals do bad with weapons...remember that.

What if you were not yourself? Mind altering substances can affect people in many ways. Humans are capable of the most unexpected things when not at their full senses.

 

[psyopspec]

And, really, how irresponsible is it to say, "I'm going out drinking and there's a 25% chance I'll end up in a fight. Better leave my gun at home as that would make the whole thing too dangerous!" A fight is a life-and-death situation, whether you realize it or not. Going out to a local bar for a rumble is a very dangerous way to let off steam.

Agreed. I'll only fight for training's sake in a semi controlled environment with a few ground rules. Outside of that environment, I'll treat any fight like the lives of me or mine depend on the outcome.

No reason Arizonians shouldn't be able to carry in bars. Even under Denver's draconian rules, it's allowed and I've never seen it become a problem. I don't drink while carrying a weapon or driving a car, or when either is in the immediate future. This policy has thus far served me well.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Applebee's Neighborhood Grill and Bar

We have some friends who come to town from time to time, and one of the spots we frequent when they do is Applebee's.

Applebee's is a restaurant whose central feature (physically central) is a horseshoe-shaped bar.

They serve the whole range of alcoholic beverages.

They are also a family restaurant.

I don't drink.

When we go there, our friends have a margarita or two. My wife might have a beer. I have hot tea (or coffee if they're out).

I've been dining at Applebee's across four states for more than ten years.

I have never once seen anyone get so blitzed they had to have a fight about it.

Under the "no guns in bars" rule, I would be compelled to be as disarmed as Suzanna Hupp at Luby's Cafeteria.

Happily, Idaho isn't that stupid.

 

[CoRoMo]

Drinkers have 2nd Amendment rights too.

 

[armoredman]

All pro rights bills in AZ signed, so nice to have a pro rights govenor for a "change".

 

[HK G3]

Do any fellow Arizonans know when these laws will take effect?

 

[BossHaug]

These pro-gun bills will take effect on September 30, 2009.

 

[Lou McGopher]

Alcohol -- especially just the presence of it nearby -- doesn't turn the CCW licensed citizen into a homicidal maniac. Nor does it make him/her a dangerous public menace.

It's a well-established fact that alcohol makes me a happier, more charming guy.

I think it also improves my dancing skills, but the jury is still out on that.

If anything, I'd be less likely to draw my weapon when under the influence of alcohol, as I am more likely to let my guard down. But that makes me less of a danger to others, and perhaps more of a danger to myself. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think I've ever gotten angry when drunk. Ever.

 

[MikkOwl]

A drug that impairs judgment, coordination, ability to control emotions, memory and restrict one's impulses, goes without saying that it does not mix publicly with operating deadly weapons (having them on your person, close enough).

Now clearly, we don't care what people do with their firearms and their drugs in the privacy of their own (or a friend's) home. But public establishments and interaction demands responsibility, just like motor vehicles on public roads do. Risktaking on other people's behalf is not ethically acceptable.

 

[HarryB]

FRAK FRAK FRAK

READ READ READ

These laws DO NOT allow you to consume if you carry! The allow you to carry in establishments that serve alcohol. For me, and many others, carrying into a restaurant was a criminal act because most successful establishments serve.

 

[rainbowbob]

Alcohol -- especially just the presence of it nearby -- doesn't turn the CCW licensed citizen into a homicidal maniac.

Precisely.

And just like most firearm restrictions, making bars "gun free" zones does nothing to prohibit homicidal maniacs from misusing a firearm in one.


I wonder what it would take to remove those restrictions here in Washington State?

...it does not mix publicly with operating deadly weapons (having them on your person, close enough).

Not close enough. I'm not "operating a deadly weapon" that remains in my pocket. I'm not more likely to "operate" it if I've had a beer.

And if I DO have to "operate" it - it's gonna be a bad day, whether or not I've had a beer.

 

[armoredman]

It's ALWAYS miscast as guns in bars, that's the leftists trash talking. I want to go to a sit down resteraunt without leaving my sidearm in the car, unattended, whie my wife, unarmed, enjoys a strwberry daquiri. I'll stick with coffee.

 

[CAVMANROCKRDUDE]

WELL..I'll tell you having just moved to Az. from northern Ca. where the criminals have just been walking into resturants at random and robbing everyone and the resturant while the state tries to make it hard for honest people to even own a gun moreless carry one( all this does is create a larger victim pool for them to feed on) I think Az. ought to be praised not questioned for their move give me a right to carry state... any place any where it always makes they bad guys think hard about their line of work......

 

[armoredman]

Welcome to AZ! Get your shall-issue permit and standard capacity magazines yet?

 

[CAVMANROCKRDUDE]

AZ ISN'T BEING KIND
I went to local gun store was refused a pistol and told to check back in a week at which time they said they recieved no reason they then sold me my gun and 2 weeks later I get this letter from the justice dept. saying they were coming to take my gun for a 33yr old pot charge(misdemeanor $250 fine) and they claimed it was a felony and asked me if I could prove otherwise...(guilty until proven innocent???)so I wrote to Ore. paid $20.00 for cetified copies of the case and then cotacted justice dept.again and they said wait until they conducted their own investigation,,,and when they finished they said I was not on Ore. no gun list(they even talked to ore. legal counsel)I then recieved letter from them saying they were closing case.gave me they nics number and a pamplet for appeal ...I have faxed $40.00 worth of of copies of the original letter the case closed letter(from the justice dept) and told them that I have carried a secret clearance from D.O.D for 7 years who did their own check and this issue never came up ...and they claimed the weren't allowed to talk to d.o.d...gee who would expect one agency to talk to another...(what was I thinking)....well $60.00 later and mucho paranoia I have yet to hear from nics appeal yet........now my livelyhood, my home protection my ability to go into desert(bought a snake gun) to get rocks(my hobby) I am a card carrying nra member have owned guns since I was sixteen am now 50+ and now I feel the govt. robbing me of my rights...any opinions of how to proceed from here to get this fixed sure would be helpful...

 

[Mr. Bojangles]

I wish I could help you, but I'm sure they have a fantastic reason (sarcastic voice) for harassing you while they can't keep pedophiles and muggers off the street. :banghead:

I agree that we all need to exercise discretion when we have been drinking. However, banning firearms just because there is alcohol around is absurd, and once again alienates law-abiding citizens (as many other similar silly laws do), allowing only criminals to carry guns.

 

[armoredman]

caveman, that isn't AZ, that's NICS, AZ has nothing to do with that. You were delayed, and after the three days waiting, it went to an automatic proceed. The government system is not the best updated. If you had an AZ CCW permit, you wouldn't be going through the constant NICS check, BTW.