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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ID_shooting, Mar 20, 2004.

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  1. ID_shooting

    ID_shooting Member

    Feb 1, 2004
    Boise, ID
    OK, this might be fun.

    Picture youself in a post-appocolypic world, think of the movie "the Postman"

    You are alone, a wonderer and you have an unlimited choice of weaponry, except that you must be able to pack everything and still beable to survive. In the movie, he had a .30 carbine, good choice I thought, in the book though, he only had a .38 revolver, not so good choice. What would you pick and why?

    Me, I wold have a sawed off shotgun, a good side arm in a man-stopping caliber and a .22 rifle. The shotgun for it's close quaters combat abilities (I think I would not want to engage a person too far off and avoidance would be my rule of thumb, besides, if I got sniped, well, not much you can do about that anyway) The sidearm for the same reason, and the 22 for food harvest, no where to store a deer or larger game so my diet would be rabbits, squirrels and the such and the 22 can be very quiet and you can packs lots of ammo.

    What say you?

    PALEFACE Member

    Mar 11, 2004
    i would have an M1A and a 9para of some sort. only because i would probly be able to get hold of more rounds if i needed them and besides the M1A is a bad mother. a 22 pistol couldn't hurt either
  3. Declaration Day

    Declaration Day Member

    Feb 25, 2004
    Redford, Michigan
    I would take

    my M1 Garand and my gov't .45 (If they're good enough to stop the Nazis they're good enough for me) and probably my .22 rifle, because it is great for small game hunting and I can carry a lot of ammo for it.
  4. Jim March

    Jim March Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    SF Bay Area
    Ruger Blackhawk with dual 357/9mm cylinders. Times two.

    Marlin 357Mag levergun, 16" or 18" carbine version.

    One of those 410/22 over/under "survival guns". Hoard 410s for emergency hunting; do most small-game hunting with the 22. Carried folded in the pack most of the time.

    Also a 22 minirevolver, pref. the reasonably accurate 4" barrel "MiniMaster" with both 22LR/22Magnum cylinders. Two if possible, as they're small. This is a small-game "sneak up on a squirrel" gun and last-ditch defense backup. Hoard 22Magnums for defense; I'm assuming 22LR will be easier to come by, at least for a while. One is carried up your sleeve for that "surprise!" effect.

    Reasoning: you need to travel light. 125grain 357 ammo is compact and lightweight for the delivered punch, and is widely available as is 38Spl. You can also use whatever 9mm you can scrounge up.


    Another thing I'd want, BAD, and I'd make one out of a couple spools of 20 - 30lb test fishing line and some lead weights: a Polynesian-style throwing net for fishing. About a 14ft spread would allow river or larger water body use. *Nothing* else can reliably scoop up as much food faster under a variety of circumstances. I'd walk up to the nearest large settlement and when they shout down from the gate "why should we let YOU in?", demonstrate throwing that thing. Then wait 30 seconds for the gate to open. (And yes, I know how to use and make one.)
  5. Mornard

    Mornard Member

    May 20, 2003
    Twin Cities, MN
    Geez, I gotta go along with Declaration Day - iffen I can't handle it with those three, (Garand, 1911 and a 22 rifle), I'm not going to be able to handle it with anything else.
  6. Parker Dean

    Parker Dean Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    Corpus Christi, TX
    I was thinking of a .45 Colt pistol and 45-70 rifle.

    My idea is that since they are black powder cartridges I could reload in the field as long as I had the brass. They use lead bullets so I could mold my own over a fire. If things were REALLY bad I could even make my own black powder if I had the ingredients available. What I can't quite get around is what to do about primers if things are that bad.
  7. lycanthrope

    lycanthrope Member

    Jun 26, 2003
    Assuming ammo would eventually run out, the best bet would be a tricked out 10/22 with 10,000+ rounds. Two guns are useless if you can't carry it and they run dry.
  8. Sven

    Sven Senior Member

    Dec 20, 2002
    Los Gatos, CA
    Dude, check all my posts about my guns - they'll all be there!

    Gotta buy more ammo...
  9. CB900F

    CB900F Member

    Feb 22, 2003

    I'm a Sci-Fi reader & recommend David Brin's book to anyone. I've read & re-read the book & thought about the situation off & on for years.

    The main consideration that I haven't seen raised here is; post-apocalyptic. That means that the common ammo is going to be available for at least two complete lifetimes after the event. I have always regarded that figure as a minimum. Then again, I'm working off my own situation where my minimum personal .22 lr stockpile runs to about two cases.

    Given that travel, as per Postman, is required, there is nothing that precludes caching as long as a regular route is followed. That allows setting up dumps along the way. Not only of ammo, but spare weapons as well. Remember, something like 90% of the present population is dead.

    Therefore, as the territory traveled & seasons change, so can the armament carried. If you couldn't find a least 6 serviceable .30-06's on your route, along with ammo, you aren't smart enough to survive long anyway.

    Four main weapon groups. Shotgun, .22 rifle, heavy rifle such as the .30-06, and personal pistol. Stick to the dirt common ammo & you should be good to go. So, for me: 12 gauge, .22 rimfire, .30-06 or .308, and .357.

    Bring a whole new meaning to 'packin' the mail, now doesn't it?

  10. DMK

    DMK Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Over the hills and far, far away
    A Russian or Romanian SKS and a CZ-97 sidearm in an enclosed holster. Second choices would be a 5.56x39 AK and a full size H&K USP in 45ACP.

    Although I considered a 30-30 lever action, I think a semi-auto rifle would be best for defending against multiple maruaders. I wouldn't be very comfortable with a pistol caliber or M1 carbine and wouldn't want to hump a lot of full power load such as 308 or 30.06. That left something in the midrange like 7.62x39 or 5.56x45. Since cleaning and shelter may not be so common, I thought it had better be something very reliable. The AK came to mind first, but I just like shooting the SKS a lot better and it feels more robust, plus that bayonette might come in handy.

    I'd go with the CZ and H&K because they are large, stable for quick follow up shots, and have slightly more capacity than a 1911.
  11. Trebor

    Trebor Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    AH 1 Huey Cobra with rocket pods and chain gun. I mean, it is a fantasy, right?
  12. Radagast
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    Radagast Moderator

    Dec 24, 2002
    8 wheeled APC with a 20mm cannon. Why walk?

    Carrying around guns? 22 magnum. Same weight as a lr, twice the reach.

    22 magnum revolver , probably a single six in stainless.

    Both are suitable for food gathering and defence.

    Travelling around where I'm not welcome? AUG and Glock 17. Simpler to avoid those areas anyway. .223 will take out most Australian game animals, hot loaded 9mm will do the same.

  13. entropy

    entropy Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    G_d's Country, WI
    AAFV7A with a .50 cuopla mounted, unlike your LAV, it is completely amphibious, can take most man portable fire, (short of AT-4's LRAC's, etc.)and is very roomy inside!;)

    M1A with 300 rds carried on person, thousands more cached.
    Rem. 870 with 100 rds. on person, 1000 cached.
    HK USP or Mk23 with supressor, (post-apocalyptic, no ATF:D ), 200 rd's on person, 2000 cached.
    M79 cut down to just pistol grip and 10" bbl, 5 rds. HE, 10 rds. buck/flechette, 5 rds. CS on person, 100 each type cached.
    Oh, and a gas mask!


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  14. Abominable No-Man

    Abominable No-Man Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    Over here.
    Okay, I'll play, too:D .

    Realistically (yeah, I know, I've seen the movie, too....), I would think that if you were all by yourself, you would be further off with one rifle (I picked a scoped .30-06) and a pistol (easy to find caliber- feel sorry for you .357 SIG and 10mm fans out there:p ). A few critical spare parts (firing pins and extractors) could be carried easily, and as much ammo as you could pack in a bandolier/pouch/haversack. THIS would be your trapline/scouting/local area kit- enough to last you about three days to a week, depending on the size of your AO.

    Depending on your AO (I know I wouldn't be wandering around....)find a stronghold with a backup hideout, that's where you could stash all your extra goodies (ammo, guns, flamethrowers, claymores, etc.).

    Fantasy? That would depend on me linking up with John Connor and his group....or flipping out my communictor and getting beamed up.:neener:

  15. ID_shooting

    ID_shooting Member

    Feb 1, 2004
    Boise, ID
    I really dig these senarios becuase they can be plausible, I think The Postman was very believable. I dont think heavy vehicles will be likley because of fuel/maint issues, but I would give you an M1 in a hull down definsive position only becuase I know that they can still be operated in manual mode.

    I too would choose common ammo types, in fact, during Y2K I has set aside a few cases and gun matching nato calibers, .308, .223, and 9mm. I work at HP and we did have a few systems go down but nothing critical and what did go down was repaired or taken offline immediatly.

    Now for the second half of the story, would you remain alone, find a small group to join, or would you try to re-enter society as it was slowly rebuilding?

    On a side note, If you liked The Postamn, try reading On The Beach, dang good book, one of the few that seriously made me tear up.
  16. Gabe

    Gabe Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    San Jose
    1. 22 cal takedown pneumatic air rifle. No worries about gunpowder. Light and compact.

    2. Ruger GP100. Common ammunition, lasts forever. Concealable.

    3. Scoped FAL (M1a will do also). Nato standard ammo. Versatile.

    That's it for me. I might stash more somewhere, but this is all I can carry.
  17. Zedicus

    Zedicus Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    Hmm... Let's see....

    Primary Rifle: HK M4A1 Variant with HK AG-C 40mm Grenade System. (HK M4) (HK AG-C)
    Shotgun: HK Fabarm Tactical .12 (info)
    Main Defensive Sidearm: HK MP7 in .45 acp (MP7A1)
    Backup Defensive Sidearm: Kimber 1911 Ten II Hi-Cap with Tritium Sights & Suppressor
    Knife: Bainite Tactical 12" Tanto by Howard Clark
    Hunting Weapon: 70lb Draw Compound Bow (Silent, efficient, Adaptable and has Recyclable ammo)

    Transportation: Armored Hardtop Humvee with mounted M2HB system.
  18. ksnecktieman

    ksnecktieman Member

    Nov 4, 2003
    Junction City, Kansas
    SKS, Beretta 92f, and 12 guage shotgun, carry SKS slung, beretta holstered, and 12 ga in hand.

    My reasoning is ammo availability, reliability, and what I have on hand.
  19. Kaxter

    Kaxter Member

    Feb 11, 2003
    An 18" Fal in .308

    A Sig P228 in 9mm.

    And the trusty Ruger 10-22.
  20. Jeeper

    Jeeper Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Mesa, AZ
    I think that I would definately have some sort of supressed subsonic rifle round like a 300 whisper or similar for hunting. You could pull 308 bullets and powder to load. No use letting everyone know you are there. A supressed rifle in a standard pistol caliber would also work. That along with a some standard pistold chambered in 9mm/45/40 and battle rifle like a M-16 of M1a. Of course a 50 sniper rifle would also be very nice for hunting and protection. If you are going to act like the postman and hide out by yourself, quiet would be the key.
  21. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 23, 2002
    Centennial, CO
    There would be a LOT of AR type rifles laying around and mountains of ammo.
  22. albanian

    albanian member

    Nov 27, 2003
    You got to go with guns in these cals, 7.62x39mm, .223, .308, 12ga, 22lr, 9mm, .38/.357. Those are going to be the cals that will be easy to find. The 30.06, .45, .30 carbine, and 30-30 are not really all that common anymore. Don't believe me? Just check prices, those cals are far more expensive than the above because not as many people are making them. When was the last time you saw 30.06 surplus ammo at dirt cheap prices? You can get .308 for almost nothing but 30.06 is expensive.

    I would go with a Ruger Speed Six or Security Six in SS .357mag 4" bbl for my handgun.

    A sawed off 12ga with a 14" bbl and a folding stock. This would be the most useful of all the guns because I could take birds on the wing with it. Birds are going to be easier to hunt than anything else and I don't think I want to eat squrells. I would probably eat doves more than anything else so I need a shotgun.

    For my rifle, I guess I would go with either a AR-15 or a bolt action in .223. A SS and fiberglass bolt action with a good rugged peep sight should last a while without too much trouble. I would like a scope but I am sure it would get damaged.
  23. ruger357

    ruger357 Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    870 shotgun
    S&W 66
  24. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Bakersfield, California
    my pack gun 20 gauge with a .22 chamber insert, a .45ACP chamber insert, birdshot, buckshot, and slug.

    my enfield number4mk2, or m-1A


    my model 37, mostly because i'm not leaving it behind.

    ruger mk2.

    A red Crowbar.
  25. jercamp45

    jercamp45 Member

    Aug 4, 2003
    Las Vegas
    Ohhh, I LOVE these 'what if' TSHTF threads!

    And The Postman!
    We'll mostly be stuck with what we have, and staying put in out local is normally far superior than trying to live off a post apocolyptic land like a scaving gypsy(see Richard Harris...The Scavenger's. somewhere around 1979).
    With that said, my handgun would have to be a Colt .45 auto, simply because I have four(and have to pick one or two). I have ammo and mags available. Might improvise a suppressor for quiet scavenging. the better to acquire an AR !!
    The mid framed .357 is an excellant choice too, but I wpould rather have a Colt 1911 on my hip.
    Next choice, a .22....pistol for me(maybe the conversion unit on my Officer's frame). But a Ruger 22/45 is also very cool(and can be suppressed...again no Fed's to annoy us).
    Though a 10/22 is also a dandy choice.
    Rifle: Whatever you got that uses commonly available ammo. If you are foot loose and fancy free, you may not have a choice. If you are sitting at home...you know what you have in your house. Buy more ammo!
    But my preference would lean more toward a light, short.308, which would be used VERY sparingly.
    Hunting game for survival is its primary role. And game WILL be very scarce. Fending off hordes of well armed unit's...well, that might be a case for breaking contact and making like a Ghost. Unless you have a well oiled, and armed defense scenerio of your own set up.
    The best way to survive an onslaught of is to not be there, or stick around!
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