ARMALITE makes a PISTOL

[MTMilitiaman]

Or is making...

This may be old news but I just found it out:

ArmaLite and Sarsilmaz Inc. Expand International Marketing Link

photos coming soon!

ArmaLite’s president, Mark Westrom, and Sarsilmaz’s, Mr.Aral Alis, have announced that ArmaLite and Sarsilmaz are expanding their international trade relationship to include a high-grade line of handguns for the U.S. Market and planned license-production of ArmaLite rifles for the Turkish Armed Forces.
Sarsilmaz has served as ArmaLite’s exclusive link to NATO’S second largest Armed Force for several years. Strategically located close to key Middle East hotspots, Turkish forces are the NATO element closest to the problems in that region.

Sarsilmaz is reciprocating by naming ArmaLite their exclusive link to the American handgun market as well as offering a channel for a line of military and police shotguns.

The handgun effort is based on the standard sidearm of the Turkish Armed Forces, the Sarsilmaz-produced “Kilinc” (Sword) 9mm pistol. Finely made of classically forged and finely machined slides, barrels, and frames, the military version is upgraded to ArmaLite specifications to match the needs of the American market as the AR-24. They are high-capacity, double action pistols produced in full size and compact steel-framed models in calibers 9mm and .40S&W. A similar line of AR-25 pistols will be introduced with polymer frames for law enforcement and other customers requiring a lightweight handgun. A third model, the .45 caliber AR-26, is currently available only as a full-sized pistol.

From http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/pistols.htm

Anybody else not know about this until right now?

 

[Mortech]

I heard about it 2 weeks ago , the Turkish pistol is nothing but another CZ75 clone along the lines of a Tangifolio or Springfield P9

 

[lee n. field]

"Nothing but" another CZ-75 clone? Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

 

[armoredman]

It IS a Tanfoglio. Tan lists Sarsilmaz as a distributer....still an excellent pistol - picture EAA Witness, without EAA's horrible customer service.

 

[Grayrider]

I have posted on this extensively in recent months and am working with ArmaLite on the project. You may want to browse my posts for more information.

At this point the project is on track and proceeding nicely. Mark Westrom is making some design changes in the appearance of the guns to set them apart from other CZ derived pistols. I think everyone will be quite pleased when they see the guns. They will have a classic European look that many modern guns lack, staying true to the elegant curves of the 75 and its ancestors. The Sig P210 heavily influenced the design of the original 75, and Mark is wanting to incorporate some of the look of that gun into ArmaLite's pistol. I have been very happy with the pictures of prototypes.

GR

 

[Buck Nekkid]

It is so nice to see the praise for the CZ 75! Y'all know, don't ya that you don't have to wait for an Armalite pistol...CZ 75's can be purchased just about everywhere. As they say why buy a copy when ya can get the real deal!!

(Just funnin' with ya Grayrider )

 

[LanEvo`]

the Turkish pistol is nothing but another CZ75 clone along the lines of a Tangifolio or Springfield P9

Last time I was in Istanbul, I handled a few of the Sarsilmaz "Kilinc" handguns. Having owned and shot many CZ's over the years, I would say the quality, fit, and finish of the Sarsilmaz is at least as good as (if not better) than the CZ-75...and significantly better than what the Italians offer. These may be "clones," but the quality is very high.

FWIW, Sarsilmaz has a very long history of building quality firearms.They have some over-under trap and sporting clays guns that are phenomenal. We only get the crappy, low-end Sarsilmaz shotguns here in the USA. But they have some very fine examples in Turkey.

I'm still hoping someone will one day import the Kirikkale line of rifles. I would love to get my hands on one of their excellent MP-5 clones!

 

[MTMilitiaman]

Well sense it is still in its developmental state, I'll insert my wishful thinking here and suggest they eventually get along to offering a 10mm Auto.

 

[3006mv]

Do you think the upcoming .45acp model ar24 will be able to accept Witness/Baby Eagle magazines?

 

[RNB65]

So for about the same price, I can own a real CZ 75 or a CZ 75 clone made in Turkey? I think I'll stick with CZ, especially since I know CZ-USA is an excellent company that stands behind the products they import.

 

[17poundr]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, I do not know what you have heard, but as I know it as any moder handgun, there is nothing but components already in existence, 'slapped together in a previously unknown combination' with the which material for what, being the only suprise aspect...

As we know, revolvers came to age about just before ww2, and although calibers have gone bigger, the machine itself hasnt changed.

Similarly, I would call the 'plastic fantastic' or as many like to name them for the cooler sounding effect 'The Polymer age of handguns' is the last revolution in semi auto's, which also, got into pretty much their last paces with the two great guns from mr Browning, a genious in at least the caliber of Kalashnikov and Stoner, if not more so...

The AR-24, has borrowed aspects true, and the Turkish Sarsilmaz factory that is called upon to make them (read the Springfield XD, wasnt even 'ordered and developed' it was just grabbed, when a Croatian gun maker tried to brake into the US gun market with a very good plastic, sorry, polymer gun)!

Anyway, before embarking on making the AR-24 for Armalite, Sarsilmaz made the Kilinc gun for the Turkish army, and THAT gun leaned heavily on previous CZ modelling. The AR-24 however leans at least as much to the Sig-p210 pistol too. and as anybody who is realistic about handguns, like in music today, you can only mix up and get something out of what already exists, I see no reason to call this a 'mere zc copy' it isnt.

Anyway, for a great gun imho, I'll gladly accept a postage of one to me, and pay in advance. I'll deal with the post office and such myself later. I dare you!

Yours truly: Mr Poundr.

Check out the pics and see if you really think that it's another CZ-75 'copy', (which in another twist of fate, is really an ex Warsaw Pact era, European Browning hi-power copy, see)??? <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZU%2526i%253D23%252F23%255F33%255F15%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_33_15.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D23%252F23_33_15/image.gif"></a>

I for one, am amazed at the lack of support the Armalite 24 is getting, considering that
1. The company gave the usa it's gaga semi auto rifle number one, and military forces soldiers weapon system, the AR-15...

2. When Springfield doe the same kind of thing, it's oh let's give the XD .45apc the gun of the year award!!! You US guy's are sometimes so weird... You defenately need to travel more... You have great energy, but sometimes a slightly worrying 'singlemindedness' that has nothing to do with rationale set's in, I mean dont get me wrong, put any 25-55 year old guys in a room and you start to see the alpha's emerge, and the 'number one helpers' and all those other social patterns that are probably in our dna by now... But, the group mentality is something that we should always watch out for, even if we do live in a democracy, the wize system is that it's balanced by FREEDOM OF SPEACH! AND THAT IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT ON A SINGLE LEVEL, AND THAT IS WHY THIS FORUM AMONG OTHERS IS ALIVE, AND I THANK YOU FOR IT!

GOD, I THINK I MUST MOVE TO THE STATES!

 

[17poundr]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, I do not know what you have heard, but as I know it as any moder handgun, there is nothing but components already in existence, 'slapped together in a previously unknown combination' with the which material for what, being the only suprise aspect...

As we know, revolvers came to age about just before ww2, and although calibers have gone bigger, the machine itself hasnt changed.

Similarly, I would call the 'plastic fantastic' or as many like to name them for the cooler sounding effect 'The Polymer age of handguns' is the last revolution in semi auto's, which also, got into pretty much their last paces with the two great guns from mr Browning, a genious in at least the caliber of Kalashnikov and Stoner, if not more so...

The AR-24, has borrowed aspects true, and the Turkish Sarsilmaz factory that is called upon to make them (read the Springfield XD, wasnt even 'ordered and developed' it was just grabbed, when a Croatian gun maker tried to brake into the US gun market with a very good plastic, sorry, polymer gun)!

Anyway, before embarking on making the AR-24 for Armalite, Sarsilmaz made the Kilinc gun for the Turkish army, and THAT gun leaned heavily on previous CZ modelling. The AR-24 however leans at least as much to the Sig-p210 pistol too. and as anybody who is realistic about handguns, like in music today, you can only mix up and get something out of what already exists, I see no reason to call this a 'mere zc copy' it isnt.

Anyway, for a great gun imho, I'll gladly accept a postage of one to me, and pay in advance. I'll deal with the post office and such myself later. I dare you!

Yours truly: Mr Poundr.

Check out the pics and see if you really think that it's another CZ-75 'copy', (which in another twist of fate, is really an ex Warsaw Pact era, European Browning hi-power copy, see)???
I for one, am amazed at the lack of support the Armalite 24 is getting, considering that
1. The company gave the usa it's gaga semi auto rifle number one, and military forces soldiers weapon system, the AR-15...

2. When Springfield doe the same kind of thing, it's oh let's give the XD .45apc the gun of the year award!!! You US guy's are sometimes so weird... You defenately need to travel more... You have great energy, but sometimes a slightly worrying 'singlemindedness' that has nothing to do with rationale set's in, I mean dont get me wrong, put any 25-55 year old guys in a room and you start to see the alpha's emerge, and the 'number one helpers' and all those other social patterns that are probably in our dna by now... But, the group mentality is something that we should always watch out for, even if we do live in a democracy, the wize system is that it's balanced by FREEDOM OF SPEACH! AND THAT IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT ON A SINGLE LEVEL, AND THAT IS WHY THIS FORUM AMONG OTHERS IS ALIVE, AND I THANK YOU FOR IT!

GOD, I THINK I MUST MOVE TO THE STATES!

 

[Onmilo]

First time I handled one I thought it was a Russian Grach pistol.
The gun is quality made yet I have to admit if I really feel compelled to buy yet another 9mm I will probably go polymer and get another USP.

 

[Vic303]

The only thing 'bad' I have heard about the AR24 pistol is that it will NOT function with CZ75/Witness mags. They will insert & lock, but will not feed. So you are stuck buying expensive & proprietary mags from Armalite at $30+ each.

However I still would like to shoot an AR24 or 25, and see what it's like. The MSRP is actually reasonable, so I suspect street price will be less in a year or two.

 

[Angus Podgorney]

Check out the pics and see if you really think that it's another CZ-75 'copy',

It is.

(which in another twist of fate, is really an ex Warsaw Pact era, European Browning hi-power copy, see)???

Wrong!

 

[kentucky_smith]

Every one I've seen cost more than a comparable CZ and won't take more plentiful CZ/Tanfoglio mags.


Pass.

 

[rcellis]

The Armalite company importing this pistol is not the same company which built the first M-16 - that company went belly-up and the current company bought the name.

 

[George Hill]

Sarsilmaz is a Turkish manufacturer. They have a factory and make their own CZ clones. They do buy some small parts from the Italian Tans. I had a long talk with them at SHOT '06. Most of what they make is what I call "total crap" and for Armalite to talk about inovation and then roll out this? Really lowers my whole Armalite impression by about 4 notches.
Out of 5.

 

[mpmarty]

More correctly, I believe and I'm sorry for drifting off topic, but SA was originally a government owned firearms and ammunition manufacturer. Government closed it down and the present folks took the name and ran with it. And the "new" wonder pistol looks like my Witness from Tanfoglio but not as nicely finished and the cotrols look like they are a lot less friendly.

 

[mpmarty]

More correctly, I believe and I'm sorry for drifting off topic, but SA was originally a government owned firearms and ammunition manufacturer. Government closed it down and the present folks took the name and ran with it. And the "new" SA wonder pistol looks like my Witness from Tanfoglio but not as nicely finished and the cotrols look like they are a lot less friendly.

 

[Dobe]

It is so nice to see the praise for the CZ 75! Y'all know, don't ya that you don't have to wait for an Armalite pistol...CZ 75's can be purchased just about everywhere. As they say why buy a copy when ya can get the real deal!!

I'll pay the extra for a better fit/finish and forged frame and slide. Original means nothing to me.

 

[shamus]

another CZ clone? feh. You can't beat the real thing.

 

[atomd]

Mr Poundr, I believe that people were excited about the XD because it was something that they hadn't seen a million times. Although it is essentially a re-branded hs2000, we didn't really see many hs2000s and clones of hs2000s all over the place in the US like we do with CZ. The grip safety, thin grip w/large capacity, and grip angle were features not seen together on many polymer pistols at the time. It offered something new to the American public. The AR24 on the other hand is too similar to a CZ75 to really excite anyone. It's a little more sleek than a CZ75 but that's about it. It doesn't really offer anything that we couldn't get years ago. It is FAR more like a CZ than a SIG although I will admit I do see a little bit of SIG influence in the differences between that and the CZ. The AR24 was a bad idea imho. Armalite should have made it's debut in the pistol market with something a bit more original and they might have generated some more interest. I don't see them doing that well with this one. If their name wasn't Armalite, no one would care at all.