imprezagm4
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Quick question... I plan on doing some backpacking this summer... I'm only 20 though so no CCW yet. Is it ok to carry a handgun in a backpack, be it in a case or not?
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kungfuhippie
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If you're gonna tell a ranger/warden in california that your handgun is for hunting you'd damn well better have a 6" barrel or your trip might include a few nights stay in a very bad hotel
IIRC from hunter's ed. just having a pistol with a short barrel can get you in trouble. I reccomend not telling the warden you brought a pistol for hunting (unless you really are hunting) but tell him it's for self defense. He'll respect the truth more.
kungfuhippie
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An accquaintence of mine got some court time for having a 1911 in his pack on a trip. His friend broke his leg and when rangers came to help and asked if he had first aid he told them it was in his pack. They found the first aid and the pistol. last I heard he was looking at 6 months and felony charges for conceal carry. Open carry is your best bet. In the pack would be useless anyway, you'd have to have it locked and unloaded (including mags).
"Please wait a minute mister cougar while I dig for my pistol, unlock it, load it, and chamber a..."
Bad idea. While it may make you feel warmer, this is a dangerous activity when you actually need to be warm. What the alcohol does is make you flush, meaning it moves your body heat out of your body core to your extremities. This may be fine in a situation where you're certain it's not going to be getting (much) colder, but if there's any danger whatsoever of freezing
Also, men will feel cold much closer to the "danger" point than women will - which is also why women tend to feel cold more often than men. Women, probably due to their ability to incubate a baby, are better at conserving body heat at their core. If they start to get chilled, they will conserve their body heat to their core making their limbs cold much sooner than a man will. This means that (more or less) in a life-or-death situation, a man will more likely freeze to death sooner than a female will because they do not conserve their body heat as quickly.
Conversely, women are more prone to overheating.
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ripcurlksm
Beautiful country. That is one thing northern California has for sure.
I have a Kali CCW and hate to talk about what I'm not sure of.
But, I recall one can 'open carry' an unloaded firearm in National
Forests.
http://www.opencarry.org specializes in what you are asking about.
I found a thread in their forum titled "Open Carry in rural Northern California"
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/445.html
You can post your question there if a search fails to bring up an
answer your question.
BTW, I carry either a Glock 29 or Ruger Redhawk in .44 Mag in the Sierras.
Have a great trip.
Beautiful country. That is one thing northern California has for sure.
I have a Kali CCW and hate to talk about what I'm not sure of.
But, I recall one can 'open carry' an unloaded firearm in National
Forests.
http://www.opencarry.org specializes in what you are asking about.
I found a thread in their forum titled "Open Carry in rural Northern California"
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/445.html
You can post your question there if a search fails to bring up an
answer your question.
BTW, I carry either a Glock 29 or Ruger Redhawk in .44 Mag in the Sierras.
Have a great trip.
KUNGFUHIPPIE - "I reccomend not telling the warden you brought a pistol for hunting (unless you really are hunting) but tell him it's for self defense."
Kungfuhippie, how is the Ranger/Warden gonna know whether or not you are "hunting" coyotes with your handgun? Would that be only determined if you were NOT to have a dead coyote in hand ... or on the ground??
Seems kinda illogical to me, but then, Calif. is a very illogical State.
Just because you don't have a dead animal there, does not mean you are not hunting. In fact, anytime I'm out in the boonies, I am "hunting" for coyotes. Sometimes, I actually kill one or two.
As for the 6" barrel limit on a handgun in the woods for hunting, if you say so, fine with me.
I lived in Los Angeles, for 35 years, but have been gone for nearly ten years. I'm no longer familiar with the F&G regs. Before I left, I and my wife walked many a mile in the outdoors with 2", 3", 4", and 5" barreled handguns and never had a problem whatsoever. Met up with both U.S.F.S. Rangers and Calif. Game Wardens several times. Not one word about "barrel length," even though I hav mentioned I was looking for coyotes.
As I said, however, maybe all that has changed. If you can no longer even plink ground squirrels with a handgun with less than a 6" barrel, then best to obey the law. I know that the laws of Calif., regarding firearms, ammo, hunting, etc., are so convoluted that it is almost impossible to own a firearm there and not be breaking some law.
NO stupid laws that like that here in Idaho, I assure you.
Good luck.
L.W.
Kungfuhippie, how is the Ranger/Warden gonna know whether or not you are "hunting" coyotes with your handgun? Would that be only determined if you were NOT to have a dead coyote in hand ... or on the ground??
Seems kinda illogical to me, but then, Calif. is a very illogical State.
Just because you don't have a dead animal there, does not mean you are not hunting. In fact, anytime I'm out in the boonies, I am "hunting" for coyotes. Sometimes, I actually kill one or two.
As for the 6" barrel limit on a handgun in the woods for hunting, if you say so, fine with me.
I lived in Los Angeles, for 35 years, but have been gone for nearly ten years. I'm no longer familiar with the F&G regs. Before I left, I and my wife walked many a mile in the outdoors with 2", 3", 4", and 5" barreled handguns and never had a problem whatsoever. Met up with both U.S.F.S. Rangers and Calif. Game Wardens several times. Not one word about "barrel length," even though I hav mentioned I was looking for coyotes.
As I said, however, maybe all that has changed. If you can no longer even plink ground squirrels with a handgun with less than a 6" barrel, then best to obey the law. I know that the laws of Calif., regarding firearms, ammo, hunting, etc., are so convoluted that it is almost impossible to own a firearm there and not be breaking some law.
NO stupid laws that like that here in Idaho, I assure you.
Good luck.
L.W.
regarding your plans to suppliment your packed in food with foraging/fishing (or to suppilment your foraging/fishing with packed food)
you cannot really make any distance in a predictable direction while foraging. It's not like berry bushes will line the trails, you must know where in the environment species X Y or Z like to grow, then go over there and look.
Forests aren't filled with abundant food, or well, actually they are, but they are also filled with abundant creatures to eat that same food, creatures who know the lay of the land better and know what foodstuffs ripen when, and creatures who can eat it when it is too raw for human consuption or too spoiled for human consumption.
Any ecosystem is going to be supporting the max amount of life it can, that's how life is, it fills up an area, and then some, the weaker starve off the healthier have babies, overfilling again, for more weaker ones to starve off, to think you can walk in and there will be all this food is absolutely silly.
Take a look at the people still living by foraging in the amazon. They are constantly on the move traveling to what is the next set of ripening foodstuffs, and the vibrant jungle can only support a few humans per square mile, humans who know exactly where to look and when.
you cannot really make any distance in a predictable direction while foraging. It's not like berry bushes will line the trails, you must know where in the environment species X Y or Z like to grow, then go over there and look.
Forests aren't filled with abundant food, or well, actually they are, but they are also filled with abundant creatures to eat that same food, creatures who know the lay of the land better and know what foodstuffs ripen when, and creatures who can eat it when it is too raw for human consuption or too spoiled for human consumption.
Any ecosystem is going to be supporting the max amount of life it can, that's how life is, it fills up an area, and then some, the weaker starve off the healthier have babies, overfilling again, for more weaker ones to starve off, to think you can walk in and there will be all this food is absolutely silly.
Take a look at the people still living by foraging in the amazon. They are constantly on the move traveling to what is the next set of ripening foodstuffs, and the vibrant jungle can only support a few humans per square mile, humans who know exactly where to look and when.
kungfuhippie
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leanwolf,
I was just saying that you don't want to have a 4" barrel on you (and no other firearm) when you tell the warden you're hunting. That is a regulation. No warden will have a problem with open carry of a smaller barreled pistol if it's allowed there (if it's BLM/nat. forest it is) The thing that makes rangers, cops, game wardens mad is when you blatently lie to them. A friend of mine got a ticket for no "fire permit" because he saw the ranger driving up and quickly put the fire out, told the ranger he didn't have a fire :banghead: (not very bright).
BTW I don't get the barrel length thing, in other states they have regs about muzzle energy. Surely a 2" barreled pistol in .357 will humanely kill a squirrel if it can humanly kill a thug
They must figure were too dumb down here to know a pocket pistol won't down a buck at 200 yards :banghead:
I was just saying that you don't want to have a 4" barrel on you (and no other firearm) when you tell the warden you're hunting. That is a regulation. No warden will have a problem with open carry of a smaller barreled pistol if it's allowed there (if it's BLM/nat. forest it is) The thing that makes rangers, cops, game wardens mad is when you blatently lie to them. A friend of mine got a ticket for no "fire permit" because he saw the ranger driving up and quickly put the fire out, told the ranger he didn't have a fire :banghead: (not very bright).
BTW I don't get the barrel length thing, in other states they have regs about muzzle energy. Surely a 2" barreled pistol in .357 will humanely kill a squirrel if it can humanly kill a thug
They must figure were too dumb down here to know a pocket pistol won't down a buck at 200 yards :banghead:- Status
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