kungfuhippie
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Yep, just remember that if you plan on hunting in PRK with it (IIRC you'll be in the sierras in california) you must have a 6" barrel. But for protection only I'll +1 that
Armed on a Backpacking Trip
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The main reason is probably that most autoloader cartridges are not adequate for larger predatory animals, namely bear. Everyone's favorite, .45ACP is not considered aqequate because it will not penetrate sufficiently. That is why .357 is so popular, particularly since it can shoot heavy, hardcast penetrator loads.
However, the 10mm (an autoloader cartridge) is as good as the .357, and if you carried a Glock 29, you might have the ideal combination of power and portability.
ctdonath
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I went on a 25-mile backpacking trip when I was 5. IIRC, I carried most of my own gear. Highly recommended.
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i take kid since she was 3
but i use a pony to haul kid and some gear and i carry as much to protect pony as us. shes a geat alarm system too. no one sneaks up on mercedes the pony
but i use a pony to haul kid and some gear and i carry as much to protect pony as us. shes a geat alarm system too. no one sneaks up on mercedes the pony
ripcurlksm
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Hey guys sorry for digging up this old thread, but I didnt want to post a new one. I have a question about THR to packing and hiking.
I have a trip coming up in the High Sierra's and we plan on leaving camp and hiking up to 9000 ft for a night. I dont know if it is BLM, managed land, state forest or whatever, but am I allowed to have a firearm at my "campsite" wherever I rest my head regardless? I will be bringing my pistol with me on the hike, but what do I do for the hike until I officially setup camp (and sleep under the stars)... Do I need to lock up the stupid thing while I hike and unlock it when I get to where I am going to sleep in the middle of nowhere?
Looking for a little guidance.
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To add I found this PDF on firearms in the Sierra National Forest. Can somone look it over and double check me to make sure I am okay. Does this mean I can open carry in the national forest? I highlighted an area in red that concerns me, as all firearms need to be transported locked and unloaded.
Hey guys sorry for digging up this old thread, but I didnt want to post a new one. I have a question about THR to packing and hiking.
I have a trip coming up in the High Sierra's and we plan on leaving camp and hiking up to 9000 ft for a night. I dont know if it is BLM, managed land, state forest or whatever, but am I allowed to have a firearm at my "campsite" wherever I rest my head regardless? I will be bringing my pistol with me on the hike, but what do I do for the hike until I officially setup camp (and sleep under the stars)... Do I need to lock up the stupid thing while I hike and unlock it when I get to where I am going to sleep in the middle of nowhere?
Looking for a little guidance.
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To add I found this PDF on firearms in the Sierra National Forest. Can somone look it over and double check me to make sure I am okay. Does this mean I can open carry in the national forest? I highlighted an area in red that concerns me, as all firearms need to be transported locked and unloaded.
I've never actually done it myself, though I've read quite a deal on the topic of long backpacking trips, and have been trying to get out on a week-long one here for a while now (like, 2 years). I've taken a number of 2-3 day trips, however. So, I'll offer what knowledge I've gained, and hopefully it'll be useful.
First (this is very important!): a 7-day hike off in the "woods" is foolish if you're not informed on what you're getting into; it's also not the wisest idea for an amateur long-distance hiker to over-estimate his or her own ability and go solo until you've got a couple trips under your belt.
Second (as has been stated several times already): 70lb is way, way too heavy. Period. Think half that weight, or maybe a little more, in food. The tools and supplies you need should fit in under 35lb without a problem. This is all off the top of my head what I would do for a 7 day hike:
- backpacking stove (some places disallow fires) and fuel - 3lb (I like the duel fuel variety - much lighter than propane for long-term/with a lot of fuel)
- single, lightweight/aluminum pot - 6oz-8oz
- water purification tablets/kit - 1lb
- First-aid kit - ~1.5lb (don't skimp here!)
- sleeping bag - 3lb max unless you need 3-season
- sleeping roll - 8oz
- backpacking tent - 3lb
- 1 change of clothes for weather expected (2lb)
- long clothing for inclement weather/mornings and/or a lightweight jacket or vest, warm hat/gloves (3-4lb) (of course this would all depend on where and when you're going and how high you're climbing - most I'd likely ever want would be a fleece at a couple ounces)
- three pairs of good wool/poly blend socks and underwear (wash and rotate, drying throughout the day with 1 in reserve - dry clothing makes a lot of difference in energy levels if the temp drops at all, and that can be dangerous)
- poncho to go over you and your gear that can double as a canopy/tent: 10oz
- utility knife, wire saw (x2), fire kindling, emergency whistle, "fishing equipment", maps, compass, one or two heavy ziplocks, trash bags, LED flashlight: about 2lb
I'm sure I'm forgetting something or mis-stating the weight of something, but that's about 28lb in gear and most of what you should have with you, and you could probably use that weight limit and add a couple other things, if you've got really light-weight gear - or carve off more weight still. That leaves 7lb for 7 days (dried food doubles in weight or more when re-hydrated), which would be a bit conservative for something energy-intensive. I'd feel comfortable going up to 45lb total in food, depending on how much you need to eat to stay going.
But keep in mind that the recommended MAX weight of a pack for long-term hiking, even if you've got a really good pack, is about 1/4th your fit weight. If you're out of shape and fat, that number is going to be lower. For instance, my fit weight is 170, but I'm not fit and still weigh that much; therefore, the max I should carry would be around 40lb, or 160/4.
Keep in mind that food will be your main concern on such a trip: if you're 3 days out and you've already eaten 3/4ths of your food, you will need to turn back. While a person can survive at length without nourishment, there is a period of time initially after intake where a person will be particularly vulnerable to sickness due to the increased stress and the change in metabolic process, and your energy levels will be almost negligible until you get used to metabolizing fat (and then soon afterwards, muscle and connective tissue). So: don't let yourself get too hungry; and assume you'll eat three or four times as much per day as you would on your average day. Basically, every day is Thanksgiving - though that does depend on how much gear you're hauling, and how hard you're pushing yourself as well.
Re: dehydrated foods: the dehydrated foods you typically buy at the grocery will have sulfates added to them in high quantities for the purpose of preserving the food. Unfortunately, that will (in short order) make your body quite acidic; you will get (bad) heart burn, muscle cramps and maybe rashes unless you do something to mitigate the problem. You could also dehydrate your own food and reconstitute it, or simply get unsulfated foods to help mitigate the problem.
Also, dehydrated foods will generally reconstitute to twice to three times their dehydrated weight for commercially available dehydrated foods. This also means you'll need to drink water while you're eating the dried foods in order to not get dehydrated and constipated; a sip for every nibble, a slurp for every bite.
Health food stores often seem to have dehydrated fruits and veggies which are good for backpacking - either in eating as-is (make sure you gnaw on 'em quite a bit before swallowing to make sure they'll digest completely and you get all their benefit) or to reconstitute in your pot with some water. (Also, a neat trick is to put the food you're going to cook/reconstitute in a ziplock with some water and put it on top of your pack or in the top pocket of your pack an hour or two before you plan to eat: the sun from the day will start tenderizing/rehydrating the food so you don't have to waste as much fuel on it.
The foods you will want to bring should have a moderate salt content, because you'll be breaking your muscles and body down through exercise, you'll be sweating, etc. and you'll need salt. Fat and protein will be essential, so a pound of nuts (trailmix) is suggested in addition to any jerkied meats. You'll also want carbohydrates, so either bring something like an unleavened bread, hardtac (I can't stand that stuff), or something like rice or oatmeal. If you've currently got a high-sugar diet (drink any soda? eat crispy poof cereals for breakfast? etc.) then you're going to probably want to bring some along as well, because you will crash and crave the stuff - though it'd be better to cut it from your diet beforehand so you get used to a lower sugar diet. You'd be surprised how sugar withdraw can make you cranky and sluggish.
Jerkied meats shouldn't be the store-bought variety, either. They don't dehydrate their meats enough, and in reality half of what you're eating is just caramelized flavoring anyway in some cases, unfortunately (used to work at a jerky plant - pretty disgusting). Making jerky is easy and reasonably inexpensive. You can turn 4lb of meat into about 2lb of jerky over night in the oven, if you make your own meat hangers to hold all the meat (coat hangers and screen door
Anyway, I've gone on long enough. Hope that's useful. Now for the question that's being asked: I'd recommend a lightweight revolver in .357 mag with good ammo and maybe an extra clip. Chances are you won't have to use it, but if you have to, you'll want it (ie a cougar - which is actually another argument to not go on such expeditions alone, and the main reason I haven't done so: it's dangerous). Of course, you should comply with all regulatory laws and all that too. And it appears you're not allowed firearms where you're going - so don't be foolish and go it alone. (Two people: you may be able to scare off the cat or fight it off and get help. One person: you're dinner, even if you have a gun - they'll just take you from behind like they normally do.)
The primary point I hope you take away from all this is that the firearm is secondary to good planning and preparedness in other things. Same goes for SHTF preparedness: all the ammo in the world won't save you if you've only got half a dozen cans of beans and a couple packets of ramen.
First (this is very important!): a 7-day hike off in the "woods" is foolish if you're not informed on what you're getting into; it's also not the wisest idea for an amateur long-distance hiker to over-estimate his or her own ability and go solo until you've got a couple trips under your belt.
Second (as has been stated several times already): 70lb is way, way too heavy. Period. Think half that weight, or maybe a little more, in food. The tools and supplies you need should fit in under 35lb without a problem. This is all off the top of my head what I would do for a 7 day hike:
- backpacking stove (some places disallow fires) and fuel - 3lb (I like the duel fuel variety - much lighter than propane for long-term/with a lot of fuel)
- single, lightweight/aluminum pot - 6oz-8oz
- water purification tablets/kit - 1lb
- First-aid kit - ~1.5lb (don't skimp here!)
- sleeping bag - 3lb max unless you need 3-season
- sleeping roll - 8oz
- backpacking tent - 3lb
- 1 change of clothes for weather expected (2lb)
- long clothing for inclement weather/mornings and/or a lightweight jacket or vest, warm hat/gloves (3-4lb) (of course this would all depend on where and when you're going and how high you're climbing - most I'd likely ever want would be a fleece at a couple ounces)
- three pairs of good wool/poly blend socks and underwear (wash and rotate, drying throughout the day with 1 in reserve - dry clothing makes a lot of difference in energy levels if the temp drops at all, and that can be dangerous)
- poncho to go over you and your gear that can double as a canopy/tent: 10oz
- utility knife, wire saw (x2), fire kindling, emergency whistle, "fishing equipment", maps, compass, one or two heavy ziplocks, trash bags, LED flashlight: about 2lb
I'm sure I'm forgetting something or mis-stating the weight of something, but that's about 28lb in gear and most of what you should have with you, and you could probably use that weight limit and add a couple other things, if you've got really light-weight gear - or carve off more weight still. That leaves 7lb for 7 days (dried food doubles in weight or more when re-hydrated), which would be a bit conservative for something energy-intensive. I'd feel comfortable going up to 45lb total in food, depending on how much you need to eat to stay going.
But keep in mind that the recommended MAX weight of a pack for long-term hiking, even if you've got a really good pack, is about 1/4th your fit weight. If you're out of shape and fat, that number is going to be lower. For instance, my fit weight is 170, but I'm not fit and still weigh that much; therefore, the max I should carry would be around 40lb, or 160/4.
Keep in mind that food will be your main concern on such a trip: if you're 3 days out and you've already eaten 3/4ths of your food, you will need to turn back. While a person can survive at length without nourishment, there is a period of time initially after intake where a person will be particularly vulnerable to sickness due to the increased stress and the change in metabolic process, and your energy levels will be almost negligible until you get used to metabolizing fat (and then soon afterwards, muscle and connective tissue). So: don't let yourself get too hungry; and assume you'll eat three or four times as much per day as you would on your average day. Basically, every day is Thanksgiving - though that does depend on how much gear you're hauling, and how hard you're pushing yourself as well.
Re: dehydrated foods: the dehydrated foods you typically buy at the grocery will have sulfates added to them in high quantities for the purpose of preserving the food. Unfortunately, that will (in short order) make your body quite acidic; you will get (bad) heart burn, muscle cramps and maybe rashes unless you do something to mitigate the problem. You could also dehydrate your own food and reconstitute it, or simply get unsulfated foods to help mitigate the problem.
Also, dehydrated foods will generally reconstitute to twice to three times their dehydrated weight for commercially available dehydrated foods. This also means you'll need to drink water while you're eating the dried foods in order to not get dehydrated and constipated; a sip for every nibble, a slurp for every bite.
Health food stores often seem to have dehydrated fruits and veggies which are good for backpacking - either in eating as-is (make sure you gnaw on 'em quite a bit before swallowing to make sure they'll digest completely and you get all their benefit) or to reconstitute in your pot with some water. (Also, a neat trick is to put the food you're going to cook/reconstitute in a ziplock with some water and put it on top of your pack or in the top pocket of your pack an hour or two before you plan to eat: the sun from the day will start tenderizing/rehydrating the food so you don't have to waste as much fuel on it.
The foods you will want to bring should have a moderate salt content, because you'll be breaking your muscles and body down through exercise, you'll be sweating, etc. and you'll need salt. Fat and protein will be essential, so a pound of nuts (trailmix) is suggested in addition to any jerkied meats. You'll also want carbohydrates, so either bring something like an unleavened bread, hardtac (I can't stand that stuff), or something like rice or oatmeal. If you've currently got a high-sugar diet (drink any soda? eat crispy poof cereals for breakfast? etc.) then you're going to probably want to bring some along as well, because you will crash and crave the stuff - though it'd be better to cut it from your diet beforehand so you get used to a lower sugar diet. You'd be surprised how sugar withdraw can make you cranky and sluggish.
Jerkied meats shouldn't be the store-bought variety, either. They don't dehydrate their meats enough, and in reality half of what you're eating is just caramelized flavoring anyway in some cases, unfortunately (used to work at a jerky plant - pretty disgusting). Making jerky is easy and reasonably inexpensive. You can turn 4lb of meat into about 2lb of jerky over night in the oven, if you make your own meat hangers to hold all the meat (coat hangers and screen door
Anyway, I've gone on long enough. Hope that's useful. Now for the question that's being asked: I'd recommend a lightweight revolver in .357 mag with good ammo and maybe an extra clip. Chances are you won't have to use it, but if you have to, you'll want it (ie a cougar - which is actually another argument to not go on such expeditions alone, and the main reason I haven't done so: it's dangerous). Of course, you should comply with all regulatory laws and all that too. And it appears you're not allowed firearms where you're going - so don't be foolish and go it alone. (Two people: you may be able to scare off the cat or fight it off and get help. One person: you're dinner, even if you have a gun - they'll just take you from behind like they normally do.)
The primary point I hope you take away from all this is that the firearm is secondary to good planning and preparedness in other things. Same goes for SHTF preparedness: all the ammo in the world won't save you if you've only got half a dozen cans of beans and a couple packets of ramen.
Yeah, definitely! That's a scary situation. Only alternative I can see there is probably hope to kill at least one of them with a knife and/or stone before you get killed, and wound the other one so your wife has a chance to grab stuff and run, more or less. A gun, thankfully, mitigates the need for actual force; the threat is (hopefully) enough. Because the threat of law won't do anything for you: they can't even catch wild animals that do things like that, and they're stupid beasts.
110-200lbs man should not carry more than 25lbs (this is on the HEAVY end)
70lbs i carried for about 6 hours hiking up a extremely steep slope. I would ditch gear in your car, or if you really need 70lbs of gear put it in two bags. Only hike with one back.
Seriously you don't need 90% of the stuff you think you need. I was always bringing everything i needed to survive for 3 days, that I never used, and all it did was wear me down, so if i did get lost, i'd be too tired to get help or stay alive ;-)
Water, small amount of food
lighter
blanket or sleeping bag
cellphone
gps
(maybe your guns)
70lbs i carried for about 6 hours hiking up a extremely steep slope. I would ditch gear in your car, or if you really need 70lbs of gear put it in two bags. Only hike with one back.
Seriously you don't need 90% of the stuff you think you need. I was always bringing everything i needed to survive for 3 days, that I never used, and all it did was wear me down, so if i did get lost, i'd be too tired to get help or stay alive ;-)
Water, small amount of food
lighter
blanket or sleeping bag
cellphone
gps
(maybe your guns)
GoRon
Member
You should check out the forums at backpacker.com
Lots of folks from your neck of the woods.
I just spent five days four nights in the Gila Wilderness in NM. My pack weighed 43lbs on day one loaded with food and water. I weighed 200lbs at the time. How heavy your pack is depends on where you are hiking. If it is going to be cold you will be much heavier due to the cold weather clothes. I prefer to have more in my pack to handle all contingencies. I would rather have a heavy pack and survive than be a dead ultra light wanker.
I have to plead the fifth on whether anyone in our group was armed.
alukban
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I'd stick w/ the weapon with which you are familiar...
...AND proficient.
Really though, just keep your wits about you and prevent the bubbles from floating off the top of your head as you enjoy nature's splendor. From what I understand, many wise folks up in Canada think a rimfire pistol is sufficient to simply scare away animals.
I do agree with a lot of the responders who say to go for a .357 but my twist on this similar preference is to go with a Glock 17L. It has near .357 ballistics w/ the longer barrel (go with the long barrel .40 and you get 10mm ballistics) but w/ less felt recoil and about over 10 oz LESS weight w/ a full 17 round magazine compared to an empty 4" barreled S&W Model 19. I'd say this is an excellent deterrent to two and four legged animals. A long barreled Glock w/ an extended mag would deter me for danged sure It is definitely accurate enough to harvest anything you were planning to harvest with any other pistol w/ open sights.
I'd carry it in a covered chest rig which would look like a camera case - maybe even a re-purposed chest carried hydration pack w/ f"alse straw"; some already have velcro along the "long side"
...AND proficient.
Really though, just keep your wits about you and prevent the bubbles from floating off the top of your head as you enjoy nature's splendor. From what I understand, many wise folks up in Canada think a rimfire pistol is sufficient to simply scare away animals.
I do agree with a lot of the responders who say to go for a .357 but my twist on this similar preference is to go with a Glock 17L. It has near .357 ballistics w/ the longer barrel (go with the long barrel .40 and you get 10mm ballistics) but w/ less felt recoil and about over 10 oz LESS weight w/ a full 17 round magazine compared to an empty 4" barreled S&W Model 19. I'd say this is an excellent deterrent to two and four legged animals. A long barreled Glock w/ an extended mag would deter me for danged sure
It is definitely accurate enough to harvest anything you were planning to harvest with any other pistol w/ open sights.I'd carry it in a covered chest rig which would look like a camera case - maybe even a re-purposed chest carried hydration pack w/ f"alse straw"; some already have velcro along the "long side"
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oh geez... 70 lb pack? Thanks for bringing this thread back up.
Ok, what NEED is simple... some waterproof matches and your zippo. Don't ever try to start a fire by rubbing sticks together...that never seems to work.
A canteen, a good brimmed hat, a couple packets of salt from your local fast food place put in waterproof container or ziploc bag. One decent tanto point knife with sharpener, a hatchet and...if you're going to be moving alot, some of the water purifier tablets. Also, a cheap aluminum pot. The pot's a good idea because you can boil water in it. I've heard that some fellas will put a canteen on hot rocks and it springs a leak because the metal gives after doing that so many times. I'd hate to have that happen.
Oh, since you mentioned fishing...you'll need that gear too. Remember, insects are edible. Go out to your wood pile and try a few out sometime, grubs are especially good...very bland. Stay away from super small bugs that are hard to chew, because it takes a while for them to die in your digestive tract and I'll tell ya that when you swallow a bunch of ants (not the RED one's, geez) you can 'feel' them...even though it's probably mental.
Be careful of berries and other foliage. Your best bed is snaring or dead-falls from rocks. Sleep without a tent, get a nylon sleeping bag and pull it over you're head if it rains.
If you take beer, take plastic bottles (so you can burn your trash). Depending on your climate and time of year, you can weigh them down with a shoelace and a rock in the water, this will cool it enough to make it enjoyable.
As always, there's two very important survival tools... your knife and a bottle of Weller's 107 or wild turkey 101 (put it in plastic if available). This stuff is flammable, you can run a zippo off it (evaporates quickly, don't put in more than you need), it's an excellent antiseptic and numbing agent. It can also make you a lot more comfortable if it gets cold. Remember though, it does dehyrate you, be careful.
Ok, what NEED is simple... some waterproof matches and your zippo. Don't ever try to start a fire by rubbing sticks together...that never seems to work.
A canteen, a good brimmed hat, a couple packets of salt from your local fast food place put in waterproof container or ziploc bag. One decent tanto point knife with sharpener, a hatchet and...if you're going to be moving alot, some of the water purifier tablets. Also, a cheap aluminum pot. The pot's a good idea because you can boil water in it. I've heard that some fellas will put a canteen on hot rocks and it springs a leak because the metal gives after doing that so many times. I'd hate to have that happen.
Oh, since you mentioned fishing...you'll need that gear too. Remember, insects are edible. Go out to your wood pile and try a few out sometime, grubs are especially good...very bland. Stay away from super small bugs that are hard to chew, because it takes a while for them to die in your digestive tract and I'll tell ya that when you swallow a bunch of ants (not the RED one's, geez) you can 'feel' them...even though it's probably mental.
Be careful of berries and other foliage. Your best bed is snaring or dead-falls from rocks. Sleep without a tent, get a nylon sleeping bag and pull it over you're head if it rains.
If you take beer, take plastic bottles (so you can burn your trash). Depending on your climate and time of year, you can weigh them down with a shoelace and a rock in the water, this will cool it enough to make it enjoyable.
As always, there's two very important survival tools... your knife and a bottle of Weller's 107 or wild turkey 101 (put it in plastic if available). This stuff is flammable, you can run a zippo off it (evaporates quickly, don't put in more than you need), it's an excellent antiseptic and numbing agent. It can also make you a lot more comfortable if it gets cold. Remember though, it does dehyrate you, be careful.
TallPine
Member
Back in my young and strong and healthy days, some friends and I used to backpack in to their wilderness cabin in Alaska. The train dropped us off in the middle of nowhere, and we were on our own from there.
Since the cabin wasn't yet quite finished, we were packing things like sheets of plywood (cut into four pieces and screwed together), rolled roofing, nails and screws, chainsaw gas, cast iron cookware. None of us guys' packs weighed less than a hundred pounds
Oh yeah, and plenty of guns too: shotguns, rifles, and at least one revolver.
Tim Currie
Member
ripcurlksm -
To answer your question about having your firearm in the high sierra...
As long as you are NOT in a State/National Park, you are fine with open carry.
So no, you do not have to lock it up or anything silly like that.
This is what I did before I got my CCW, and now what I have to do again since my CCW expired and now live in the wrong county
oh.... and all the campground mgrs, Forest Service people, or sheriffs I've ever run into while out in the mountains have either been totally cool with the guns or didn't notice/couldn't care less.
To answer your question about having your firearm in the high sierra...
As long as you are NOT in a State/National Park, you are fine with open carry.
So no, you do not have to lock it up or anything silly like that.
This is what I did before I got my CCW, and now what I have to do again since my CCW expired and now live in the wrong county
oh.... and all the campground mgrs, Forest Service people, or sheriffs I've ever run into while out in the mountains have either been totally cool with the guns or didn't notice/couldn't care less.
ripcurlksm
Member
Thanks Tim. Hey check out this map, I think I am in luck: Mammoth Pools Reservoir looks to be in the National Forest (located on the left, below Yosemite and above Huntington Lake). Is this correct Tim?
http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/861/files/sierra.pdf
Enough about the 70# pack already! This is a dead horse!
http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/861/files/sierra.pdf
Enough about the 70# pack already! This is a dead horse!
beaucoup ammo
Member
This brings back memories of the Old Days! I recall the summer of '61 a friend's dad dropped 4 of us off on Padre Island about 5 - 10 miles South of Bob Hall Pier. This was long before it became a National Seashore. There was 1 man, Maj. (Ret.) Swan, who patroled when he felt like it and carried an elephant gun! He was in his 70's, kept half an eye on us at the request of our parents and..more than once..gave us ammo for our 22's and 30-06's.
We would trek and hitch our way down close to the land cut, past Little Shell and Big Shell and camp for two weeks! We were always armed to the teeth, ate what we caught in the surf, and got a kick when cattle from the King Ranch wandered over the dunes and down to the beach to have a look.
No one..not a soul..for 10 - 15 miles in either direction. It was, of course, a different time and one I sorely miss.
We would trek and hitch our way down close to the land cut, past Little Shell and Big Shell and camp for two weeks! We were always armed to the teeth, ate what we caught in the surf, and got a kick when cattle from the King Ranch wandered over the dunes and down to the beach to have a look.
No one..not a soul..for 10 - 15 miles in either direction. It was, of course, a different time and one I sorely miss.
Tim Currie
Member
Oh yeah you're good. As long as you're not in the dark green or brown on that map then guns are good to go!
TC
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Richard.Howe
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As far as firearms go, a G19 and a spare mag in one of these is all I usually carry:
http://thewilderness.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=51
I'll occasionally carry my 4" SRH loaded with 420gr +P Garretts, but only occasionally...
http://thewilderness.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=51
I'll occasionally carry my 4" SRH loaded with 420gr +P Garretts, but only occasionally...
TallPine
Member
Just curious ... what the heck did you do for drinking water ???????
MudCamper
Member
I always pack a handgun when backpacking - mostly just for fun. Makes the pack a lot more heavy, but with all your ammo gone (save a few rounds) and most of your food gone, the trip out always feels like you're floating.
You can pack in BLM and National Forest, no problem. I've carried openly in several NFs and have encountered LEOs from time-to-time and they've never even said a word about it.
But that said, it'd be wise just to call the nearest ranger station and ask em about it.
You can pack in BLM and National Forest, no problem. I've carried openly in several NFs and have encountered LEOs from time-to-time and they've never even said a word about it.
But that said, it'd be wise just to call the nearest ranger station and ask em about it.
beaucoup ammo
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Tallpine
The good Major Swan would handle that with 20 gallon deliveries every few days. He'd also let us fire the elephant gun. He had an M29 Weasel.. a World War II tracked vehicle that he'd truck on a flat bed to Bob Hall and head down. These were once a year adventures and well planned in advance.
In those days we'd take the Weasel back in the dunes!
Great times!
The good Major Swan would handle that with 20 gallon deliveries every few days. He'd also let us fire the elephant gun. He had an M29 Weasel.. a World War II tracked vehicle that he'd truck on a flat bed to Bob Hall and head down. These were once a year adventures and well planned in advance.
In those days we'd take the Weasel back in the dunes!
Great times!
TallPine
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Thanks, beaucoup. We were down there about 1990 or so with a 4wd p/u and camper. We thought we would explore the length of the north island, since I always like to get back to the remote places to camp. First thing we learned was that we did not have enough gasoline capacity to safely get down there and back through the deep sand. Second thing we learned was that we couldn't stay out for more than a few days with 4 people because we couldn't carry enough drinking water. (basically, we would have had room for extra jugs of gas or water, but not both) We saw people going down island for the day with big 4x4s loaded with long planks and beaucoup gas cans
By that time, the park rules were that you weren't supposed to even walk in the dunes. We did, just a little though, for certain purposes
Oh yeah, and I suppose we were breaking park rules to even have a gun in the camper for defense
The seashore is a beautiful but pretty harsh environment. The Rocky Mtns are benevolent by comparison.
By that time, the park rules were that you weren't supposed to even walk in the dunes. We did, just a little though, for certain purposes
Oh yeah, and I suppose we were breaking park rules to even have a gun in the camper for defense
The seashore is a beautiful but pretty harsh environment. The Rocky Mtns are benevolent by comparison.
RIPCURLKSM, if you carry a firearm with you, I suggest you also buy a Calif. Hunting License. Just in case some badge heavy Ranger who did not know the law decided to hassle you. "Yes, Ranger, this firearm is for hunting coyotes, which is an open hunting season, year long."
Don't worry about what a bunch of granola crunching yuppies think about your being armed. If you need it, you'll have it. If they need it... well, they'll just be S.O.L.
CAIMLAS - "I'd recommend a lightweight revolver in .357 mag with good ammo and maybe an extra clip."
Caimlas, you did mean an "extra speedloader" for that revolver, rather than an "extra clip" for it, didn't you???
RipcurlKSM, good luck on your trip. Take some pictures and let us know how it went.
L.W.
Don't worry about what a bunch of granola crunching yuppies think about your being armed. If you need it, you'll have it. If they need it... well, they'll just be S.O.L.
CAIMLAS - "I'd recommend a lightweight revolver in .357 mag with good ammo and maybe an extra clip."
Caimlas, you did mean an "extra speedloader" for that revolver, rather than an "extra clip" for it, didn't you???
RipcurlKSM, good luck on your trip. Take some pictures and let us know how it went.
L.W.
ripcurlksm
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Thanks Leanwolf, you've been a great resource for me. Take care.
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