Armed robber comments on what easy targets college students are
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The Real Hawkeye
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Of course they're easy targets. Most colleges forbid firearms on campus. If I were a mugger, I'd be zeroing in on college students too. No gun zones attract victimizers (both the armed and unarmed types) like honey attracts flies. How smart do you need to be to figure this out?
Gus Dddysgrl
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Wow. I always knew college students are easy targets. Many reasons: one they aren't used to being on their own. Two they haven't been scared by the real world, and haven't really been in the real world yet. (Unless maybe they are seniors.) Three they are usually in their own little world...often drunk little world. And four they can't protect themselves except with a rape whistle. (no guns allowed)
That's the big joke at my college. What is a rape whistle gonna do? Students use the rape whistle as a big joke.
I wish I could carry on campus, but I can't. So at least I don't ignore my surroundings especially late at night.
So glad I graduate in May and can carry pretty much everywhere I plan to go after that.
Gus
That's the big joke at my college. What is a rape whistle gonna do? Students use the rape whistle as a big joke.
I wish I could carry on campus, but I can't. So at least I don't ignore my surroundings especially late at night.
So glad I graduate in May and can carry pretty much everywhere I plan to go after that.
Gus
TWeatherford
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Yep, add the fact that most of us don't use the bank a lot and have a tendency to carry all of our cash with us, we make a pretty nice target. At least I'm allowed to have a folding knife at school.
Bubbles
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Don't forget in most states you can't get a CHL until you're 21 years old. Undergrads are younger than that.
Rick O'Shea
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Here's another thought:
Get off the frickin' phone and pay attention to where you are and what you're doing!
(this does not just apply to college students...)
If I were a mugger, rapist, kidnapper, or other hunter/stalker type of criminal, I would consider the cell phone to be the greatest invention ever.
Thousands upon thousands of blissfully unaware, self-absorbed victims.
<Rant building up... better stop now..... >
Get off the frickin' phone and pay attention to where you are and what you're doing!
(this does not just apply to college students...)
If I were a mugger, rapist, kidnapper, or other hunter/stalker type of criminal, I would consider the cell phone to be the greatest invention ever.
Thousands upon thousands of blissfully unaware, self-absorbed victims.
<Rant building up... better stop now..... >
RNB65
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Yep. Armed robberies and break-ins are a dime-a-dozen around the VCU campus here in Richmond. The good news is that the perps are almost always caught eventually.
Wasz
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Oakland does kinda suck. If you go too far from campus it can get crappy. A few blocks away from the campus last year a guy had his throat slashed open after handing over his wallet. College students tend to have cash, tend to be drunk and tend to be totally unaware.
There was a court case which changed things .IIRC there are students who are convicted criminals and the schools also did their best to hide crime statistics .That court case made it easier to get the schools crime records....But the typical college student is totally clueless , despite the well publicized abductions ,rapes , murders. The most recent murder was apparently done by a man who had been stalking a group of girls . They did little about it !!
Heavy Metal Hero
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I thought if you could legally carry outside of school (CCW) then you could carry while on campus? Doesn't state law trump a university's "code of conduct?"
wolf_from_wv
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Then stores couldn't put up signs either, could they?
There was an armed robbery of 2-3 college students near hear who were sled riding on a snow day. Seems like he got less than $20. Tip: College students sled riding on a snow day, probably don't have much money on them, or they would be somewhere else...
Bergerboy
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Well I'd hate to see the guy after he tried to get this college student
But yeah......campus rules prevent carrying a weapon, and state law here in Georgia prevents anyone from carrying a firearm on any campus.
But yeah......campus rules prevent carrying a weapon, and state law here in Georgia prevents anyone from carrying a firearm on any campus.
carterbeauford
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If you can manage to not get hit by a PATransit bus, you stand a pretty good chance of getting robbed in Oakland. Sad that two schools of such prestige are located in such an unsafe area. I would never go there unarmed.
Try Martial Arts
There are some really vicious martial arts available that do not require years of disciplined instruction to be effective. Krav Maga and Progressive Fighting Systems leap immediately to mind and I am sure there are others. True mastery of these arts still requires years of training but most can learn enough in a few days to greatly improve their defensive capabilities. Most of all, these kids need to be aware of their surroundings. The mind is the weapon, everything else falls into the category of tools.
There are some really vicious martial arts available that do not require years of disciplined instruction to be effective. Krav Maga and Progressive Fighting Systems leap immediately to mind and I am sure there are others. True mastery of these arts still requires years of training but most can learn enough in a few days to greatly improve their defensive capabilities. Most of all, these kids need to be aware of their surroundings. The mind is the weapon, everything else falls into the category of tools.
cdcmj
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i go to Pitt, i live in south oakland, my only option...an 870 in a mossberg loc-box in my closet, cruiser ready 24/7
Beagle-zebub
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The University of Delaware is always having muggings, as well as a rape every so often (or all of the time, depending upon how you count), and even a stranger rape/homicide/arson case two or so years ago. Newark, DE is not a safe place after hours, by any stretch of the imagination.
Hyde Park, where I currently reside, is one of the most amazing police states I've ever witnessed. The neighborhood is patrolled by the University of Chicago Police Department, which is supposedly the second largest private police-force in the world, and yet I have recently started seeing CAPS (Chicago Area Police Service, I think) vehicles in concentrations as high as six to a block. Needless to say, someone gets mugged or groped every two weeks, and a former resident of my house (houses are subdivisions of dorms here) was stabbed in the street four times by an apparently homeless guy--he was able to walk to the UCPD station, which says volumes about the relationship between policing and individual commissions of crimes.
Hyde Park, where I currently reside, is one of the most amazing police states I've ever witnessed. The neighborhood is patrolled by the University of Chicago Police Department, which is supposedly the second largest private police-force in the world, and yet I have recently started seeing CAPS (Chicago Area Police Service, I think) vehicles in concentrations as high as six to a block. Needless to say, someone gets mugged or groped every two weeks, and a former resident of my house (houses are subdivisions of dorms here) was stabbed in the street four times by an apparently homeless guy--he was able to walk to the UCPD station, which says volumes about the relationship between policing and individual commissions of crimes.
DoubleTapDrew
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That's why when I was in college I carried, to hell with the rules.
I was broke though Cash was replaced with an ID/Meal card.
I was broke though
Cash was replaced with an ID/Meal card.sm
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Dear Criminals,
As an older returning student myself; I have some news for you.
It is not baiting if you are attracted to me and you get hurt.
Quite a few older returning students commute and attend college as I do and there is an old adage:
Bribery, Blackmail, Cheating, Deceit, and being plumb Down and Dirty Mean - will outdo youth and skill any day of the week.
Oh, there are Younger students, ladies and gents that have this attitude as do Faculty and Staff as well.
There are Posted signs, State Regulations and all - these are to keep you guys from getting hurt.
We students have taken steps - especially we older ones raised right.
Speaking of Criminals - allow me to address the Politicians of the State .
I and others were raised to be responsible for ourselves and not be pawns of political agenda.
You politicians took bribes and voted to give away our Liberties and eroded our Freedoms for the sake of Tyranny. We do not appreciate this, and we will Never Forget.
Now if one of your Political family members, such as wife, teenage daughter , or sister is beaten, raped and killed commuting to and from a school campus, or while on campus - you have yourself and colleagues to blame for denying people rights and giving criminals more ease of committing crimes.
Not everything comes from a building with Education on the door.
Some of us have Street Smarts, Common Sense and Awareness.
Do you?
Regards,
Steve
As an older returning student myself; I have some news for you.
It is not baiting if you are attracted to me and you get hurt.
Quite a few older returning students commute and attend college as I do and there is an old adage:
Bribery, Blackmail, Cheating, Deceit, and being plumb Down and Dirty Mean - will outdo youth and skill any day of the week.
Oh, there are Younger students, ladies and gents that have this attitude as do Faculty and Staff as well.
There are Posted signs, State Regulations and all - these are to keep you guys from getting hurt.
We students have taken steps - especially we older ones raised right.
Speaking of Criminals - allow me to address the Politicians of the State .
I and others were raised to be responsible for ourselves and not be pawns of political agenda.
You politicians took bribes and voted to give away our Liberties and eroded our Freedoms for the sake of Tyranny. We do not appreciate this, and we will Never Forget.
Now if one of your Political family members, such as wife, teenage daughter , or sister is beaten, raped and killed commuting to and from a school campus, or while on campus - you have yourself and colleagues to blame for denying people rights and giving criminals more ease of committing crimes.
Not everything comes from a building with Education on the door.
Some of us have Street Smarts, Common Sense and Awareness.
Do you?
Regards,
Steve
Geronimo45
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College students have changed in recent years - almost all of 'em are carrying a cell phone - they'll be on the cell or an Ipod when not in class. A lot of 'em carry laptops, too.
armedpolak
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when i went to college...
we had better things ( http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=338325&page=2 )
but to be serious, on NCSU campus, where I spend 4 years of my sheappyyy years, there were incidents. the most shocking one was a kid shot in a face in front of a campus book store. it happened in the evening. and i don't think they caught the guy.
money, not much did i have in my pockets back then. nor were my eyes open to wonders of 1911sss
AP
we had better things ( http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=338325&page=2 )
but to be serious, on NCSU campus, where I spend 4 years of my sheappyyy years, there were incidents. the most shocking one was a kid shot in a face in front of a campus book store. it happened in the evening. and i don't think they caught the guy.
money, not much did i have in my pockets back then. nor were my eyes open to wonders of 1911sss
AP
Praxis
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Wow, great to see both my undergrad school (Pitt) and grad. school (Delaware) mentioned in the same post.
Living in South Oakland in Pittsburgh is where I first started thinking seriously about self defense. Having to walk to and from class at night really makes students easy targets there.
Newark, Delaware, being just of I-95, seems to attract a lot of criminals who are passing by and looking for easy marks.
Living in South Oakland in Pittsburgh is where I first started thinking seriously about self defense. Having to walk to and from class at night really makes students easy targets there.
Newark, Delaware, being just of I-95, seems to attract a lot of criminals who are passing by and looking for easy marks.
kungfuhippie
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Oh, no, we're safe on my college campus. We have these neat little blue poles with lights on them and a phone that connects to campus police.
Carrying is a NO,
so use other weapons,
A Brain (you were smart enough to get into college)
A knife
Martial Arts
Pepper Spray
GO in groups (not often does a guy rape 5 girls at once)
When my sisters went to school out of state I suggested they get some pepper spray and some SD training. They both didn't listen. Thank God nothing even happened. But on their campus there were some areas that rapes were happening nearly every weekend...They "avoided" those places They both still have their "rape wistle"
If I have a daughter and she goes to college her "rape wistle" will sound an awful lot like a .357
Carrying is a NO,
so use other weapons,
A Brain (you were smart enough to get into college)
A knife
Martial Arts
Pepper Spray
GO in groups (not often does a guy rape 5 girls at once)
When my sisters went to school out of state I suggested they get some pepper spray and some SD training. They both didn't listen. Thank God nothing even happened. But on their campus there were some areas that rapes were happening nearly every weekend...They "avoided" those places
They both still have their "rape wistle"If I have a daughter and she goes to college her "rape wistle" will sound an awful lot like a .357
another okie
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I studied one year in Lawrence, Kansas, home of KU. A city police officer told me once that they watched carefully for certain types of vehicles and certain license plate prefixes and just followed them around town until they left.
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