Armed robber comments on what easy targets college students are

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This is a PERFECT example of what it would be like if the gungrabbers got their wish. Any zero tollerance for guns and knives place is an attractant to rapeists and murderers and robbers/burglars....when oh when are they going to get it.
 
Well I can see how I'm going to spend my time in a few years- With retirement imminent I guess I can occupy myself with being my grand daughter's personal bodyguard, licensed, the whole bit- Of course she will beg me not to embarress her but my standard response will be, "Of course I will, I'm your grandfather"
 
This shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone , not only for all the reasons already stated but for the simple fact that these schools are the major breeding ground for the socialist/pacifists in this country .

What do you think the majority of professors are ?

The remains of the Anti Vietnam war , peace and free love hippies who can't make it in the real word so they teach their garbage to the coming generations .

Why do you think time honored traditions like hunting and shooting started dying so rapidly after the 60's ? More and more people sent their children off to get an indoctrination in socialism and become the pansies they are today .
 
Colleges

Of course students are targets. We're in victim disarmament zones.
Hopefully, the pocketknife is good for something.:mad:
 
I'd be willing to bet that most if not all major colleges hide their crime statistics so as not to scare off potential students.

Anyone know if colleges with their own police force (not security) are required to submit statictics to the UCR?
 
I live in quite the college town. The population drops by about a third in the summertime when class lets out.

Most students are friendly and trusting, doing things like leaving houses and cars unlocked. Many college students also have "cool stuff" like laptops, mp3 players etc.

Another thing that leads to problems, particularly in my area: the Student Ghetto, is that it is also a historic neighborhood. The houses are older, and cannot be upgraded without using "traditional" materials, like cedar and singlepane windows. This leads to a situation where landlords aren't willing to pay the unnecessarily high cost of security upgrades to homes. I could walk to all but one or two houses on my street, go to the front door, and break in under 30 seconds. That is if the door is even locked.

This is not something that can be blamed on the "hippy communist whateveryoucallit" professors either. Many of the professors at two large local colleges here are very realistic in their world outlook. The prevention of weapons and self defence on campus mostly comes from the administration, the precinct of the local police that serve the campus (many a-holes there, and a couple nice guys) and the state legislature.

One of my physics professors actually did some of his grad work on firearms and ballistics. :D

The biggest fight is with the administration, the official voice of the colleges. They are more scared of the bad press that would be genereated by one student going whacko than the frequent low-grade violence that happens all around, like the many petty thefts, some burglaries, robberies, the occasional mugging etc.

The college students I know that own firearms are very serious about gun safety. They still have some parties, but the guns unloaded and locked up out of sight for the duration. Guests are not even aware that firearms are in the house.

Most students are aware that bad things happen. Most think that those are things that happen to "other people." Still many are smart with the nightly party thing. Go to parties in groups, have someone sober left at the end of the night to herd the hammered pack home, everyone have a cell phone and stay in contact, bring a freakin flashlight. Little stuff like that makes a big difference.

Another part of the trusting environment is that students also look out for each other. On my block, most of us know each other, and recognize who belongs and ask questions when something looks fishy. Now I don't count on this to actually stop a crime in progess, but it creates a community environment where many of the shady people that were around before aren't now. Rather, they are around, but rarely on my block.




All that said, durning the day many students would be extremely easy targets. On the phone, walking alone, burdened with books/laptop/purse, and trusting the daylight to keep them safe. And on top of that, between class and car (for those who live off campus) firearms are verboten. Michigan law is that CCW is forbidden on campuses, but parking lots don't count as part of the campus. Now, the thought that no gun means no defence is foolish at best. Pepperspray on keychains is common among the ladies (oh wait Mr. Robber, let me hang up my call and dig this thing out, just one more second...), and many of the guys think they are tough enough to fight someone :rolleyes:.
 
Crime Statistics

Anyone know if colleges with their own police force (not security) are required to submit statictics to the UCR?

Yes. All colleges/univerisites are required to report per the Jeanne Clery Act. My school formerly had its own police force, but it merged with the city. I suppose that eliminated problems with jurisdiction.
 
Of course students are targets. We're in victim disarmament zones.
Hopefully, the pocketknife is good for something

That's no good at my university, and I quote from the student code of conduct, basically a list of things forbidden:

"The use, possession, or carrying of weapons, including, but not limited to, pistols, rifles, shotguns, airsoft guns, paintball guns, pellet guns, dangerous knives, ammunition, any stun device, or other dangerous weapons is prohibited while on University-owned or controlled property, or at University-sponsored or supervised activities, except by police officers and other persons specifically authorized by the University"

I don't have classes at night or anything, but still, I'd like to be able to protect myself. When will they understand? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Ohio Rifleman

Do chemical irritants count as "dangerous weapons" ?

BTW, I am lucky. My university only prohibits fixed-blade knives. Having a folder, that's not a problem for me.
 
Do chemical irritants count as "dangerous weapons" ?

No idea. Probably, since the administration likely wants us to be nice and defenseless. Maybe I should email the campus police or something and ask them. I'd feel a little weird carrying pepper spray though...not something men usually carry. :neener:
 
Florida statute prohibits firearms on college campus. Certain non lethal weapons are permitted, under certain circumstances, to matriculated students.

I'm surprised to hear that in some states the college's own rules are the deciding factor.

Interestingly, Florida CWL law has no provision for private establishments to prohibit CWL holders from carrying. They can ask that you leave their property but no crime is involved if you ignore a sign on the door (for example).

CWL laws, like most legislation, is poorly written and open to interpretation. I'm sure it would be great fun to become a test case.
 
Ohio Rifleman

That's true, but it's better than nothing. What about impact weapons ? Are they viable ? (In my state, we can't carry them without a certification card, which I hope to obtain in the future.)
 
That's true, but it's better than nothing. What about impact weapons ? Are they viable ? (In my state, we can't carry them without a certification card, which I hope to obtain in the future.)

As far as I know, there's no restrictions on getting such things. Ohio is a pretty free state. Might raise some eyebrows, carrying a club around, though.
 
Club

What about collapsible batons ? Some are small enough that they could be concealed in a briefcase, backpack, etc.
 
That would likely work, but again, I don't know if that would be allowed for us serfs to even have that much. Have to contact someone to figure that out.
 
Serfs

I understand. I have dealt with university administration on non-weapon issues. It was still annoying. :banghead:
 
Do you think it would do any good to contact the administration about this issue? Or would it be something like this: :banghead:
 
These types of attacks occurred out here in SD but were worse than just losing some cash. Self-defense / self-reliance is not really allowed in my state. But most college students I have met (in college right now) have some utopian idea about how the world around them is, they read about the violence in history and it does not seem to register to them that violence has not seceded from our society only put on another mask.


I understand. I have dealt with university administration on non-weapon issues. It was still annoying.

Its just my opinion but there is no such thing as a NON WEAPON. Only objects designed to be weapons and misc objects. However carrying a small blade something foldable like a pocket knife or a swiss knife is not permitted and will get you expelled from my college. I think this proves the point that once you disarm law abiding peaceful citizens that more people are preyed upon.
 
I go to the University of Cincinnati and armed robbery and rape are not uncommon at all on and around campus. Even if no crime ever happened on campus what about that one street you have to walk down to get to your apartment? Not allowing guns on campus leaves you very vulnerable especially if you take night classes. I think the real problem is that the victims don't point to the no firearms sign when they are being raped or robbed at gun point. If the criminals were aware no guns were allowed on campus they wouldnt commit crimes there:barf:
 
Quote- "That's why when I was in college I carried, to hell with the rules". Bravo. There is a recurring problem of violent crime on campus at the University of Penn, also. There was just a string of rapes commited by the same man. He was caught, finally, after commiting five rapes(I think). I have frequent doctor's appts. at the hospital there, so guess what I take along with me. I don't even know if there is a rule against it, and I don't give a damn.

ProgunninTN- Those colapsable batons are illegal in NJ. This is not just on campus. They are illegal, period.

Scary, ain't it?
 
Administration

It might be a headache and it might not. My case involved an academic issue, and I had to go through procedures that were inconvenient, and asinine. Your experience may or may not be the same. First, I would check state law for restrictions. Then, check university policy. If you find nothing, then look into contacting administration. Just be warned, you may experience :fire: or :banghead:. OTOH, you might not.
 
Trust me.. Armed robberies in Oakland are not news. The media just now decieded to start reporting it.
 
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