Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by MedWheeler, Dec 6, 2010.
Here in CA, a Security Officer qualifies by caliber. He/She can qualify with as many calibers as he/she wants. And by caliber, I mean caliber, not cartridge. Qualify with a M10 S&W .38 Spl and carry legally your Colt Commander .38 Super. Qualify with a 1911 .45ACP, carry a Redhawk .45 Colt. Oh, and .38/.357 are the same, so Qualify with a P229 in .357 Sig, and carry a Webley in .38 S&W. Make sense.
In any case I had one job where I was issued a M10, and 158 grain LRN. We were going to be upgraded to Remington 125 JHP +P ammo. They powers that be decided we needed .357 revolvers to shoot that hot +P ammo. So they took our M10s and gave us Rossi .357s. At least I knew the M10/LRN combo would go bang. I quit shortly there after.
Most of my other jobs I have been allowed to pretty much carry what I wanted, and in one job, I got to set the firearms policy for the other officers as well. They had to purchase there own weapons. My policy was a quality firearm that I had to approve. For insurance reasons I was not allowed to allow C&L carry so I didn't allow SA autos. I required 9mm Luger to .45acp for autos and .38 special to .45acp or Colt for revolvers and anything in between. I also allowed only factory hollowpoint ammo, but did allow the officers to select what ammo worked best in their guns.
I like .45s. I have carried on duty at one time or another, in various jobs, a 1911, an XD, a Sig P220 (This is what I have carried the most) a S&W 625 .45acp 3", and 2 different M25-5 .45 Colts one a 4" and one a 6".
Non .45s included the M10 mentioned above, a M19 .357 and a P226 9mm.
Ammo was always a hollowpoint of one sort or another, but I would sometimes carry a spare mag or speedloader with FMJ or hardcast lead if I thought a particular assignment was more likely than most to require shooting through a barrier of some sort.
GLock mod22 and about the same duty rig. THat's my 2 dead lincolns on this one.
Private security abroad, like the Xe company now, I used an M4 and had an Accuracy international .338 Lapua for my tower posting.
The company I worked for was way to cheap to supply guns and was pretty open about what we carried.
8.5 years, two differant outfits, had the greatest time doing armored work, just didn't pay enough.
Wells Fargo Armored, not connected with Wells Fargo Security or the bank, issued Taurus or Smith 38 4 inch. Mine was a Model 64, and at that time at that office, they were take home guns, no real storage space. Issue ammo was 158 grain LRN, but I brought in my own speedloaders in my bag with 110 grain Hydra Shoks. Near the end of my time, I brought my auto in the bag with full rig, as did my partner with his 1911A1. We'd leave the terminal, and the wheelguns would go in the bag, and the autos would go on. Also was driving a 1964 International Armored truck, this in 1989. BTW, I won an IDPA style match with that Smith 64.
Armored Transport/AT Systems. I was the company Rangemaster and armorer. We still had some Smith Model 10s around, one with a factory jeweled trigger and hammer. We ended up turning in all the older wheelguns for new Smith 686 4 inchers.
BUT, you could carry any sidearm you wanted, as long as it was 9mm or 38 Special or bigger up to a 45 ACP. I used a Witness 40SW, as a matter of fact, turned out to be the very first Witness 40 ever imported to the US. Also, the company GAVE you a few hundred rounds of free ammo every year, in whatever single caliber you asked for.
And the poster about the days of "extra" firepower, absolutely spot on. During season, we used to put temporary racks in the truck in the drivers area, and throw up personally owned Ars, AKs, Mini14s, etc., as a visual deterrent. It worked. I had one guy show up to work one day with two Glocks,. one each side in thigh rigs, a Smith revolver in a shoulder holster, EAA Witness 40 IWB same side, and under the other shoulder was a slung AKM semi auto clone with 75 round drum and 37mm flare launcher. I alos know he carried a 38 derringer in his back pocket, ask me about the time he shot himself in the rump with it...but that's a different story.
I did make him store most of the hardware in the vault that day.
There IS one occaision a revolver is better for an armored truck, and that's shooting through the gunport - that first shot recoil will catch your front sight or slide during recoil at the top of the gunport, and you are very likely to have a jam. Sometimes I would have a revolver in the truck with me for just that idea, plus a snub concealed on me, as taking messengers hostage was an idea that was catching on.
I also LOVED the concept of the Bushmaster bullpup, with that high sight rail and short length could be great to use in a truck, with optics that could actually be used out the window above the gunport. Never got to try is, but I did try the Mini-14 through the gunport - that was interesting...
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