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Arms Trade Treaty

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DSling, Apr 1, 2013.

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  1. DSling

    DSling Member

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    This is where my research started.
    Wiki Arms Trade Treaty
    Reference number 18 brought me to the following website. I thought it was a valid reference.
    http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/7/disinformation-continues-as-un-arms-treaty-takes-shape.aspx
    I thought maybe the state department would say something different. What I found was that they do support it and further state that they will not take our rights. I believe that to be a lie.
    http://www.state.gov/t/isn/armstradetreaty/
    This happened today. As for last I would like to extend my thanks to Iran, Syria and Korea.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/01/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE9300D020130401
     
  2. WardenWolf

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    Russia can still veto. And will.
     
  3. DSling

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    If Russia veto's it what will happen. I do not understand the rules of the UN. It seems like a pointless body unless it has actual control over countries

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  4. WardenWolf

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    The treaty dies. Plain and simple.
     
  5. Rob G

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    As I understand it, it has to be a unanimous decision. If Russia vetos it then it's dead in the water.
     
  6. DSling

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    So out of all the countries in attendance who has the power to veto?

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    Then you don't understand it. Contrary to conspiracy talk radio, the UN is not a one world government that rules the globe. It does not have power over countries. It is governments getting together, voluntarily, and agreeing to work together on many issues.
    Any of the security council members can veto when in the security council, but not in the General Assembly.
    Any treaty must be confirmed by Congress, basically as a parallel US law.
    No treaty can over ride the Constitution.
     
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    That's not being reported here.
     
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    One of the rules of the conference on the Arms Trade Treaty was that the conference could only agree on the text of the treaty by consensus; the US was insistent on that rule. Consensus was not achieved during the conference.

    Here is the official current status of the treaty:

     
  10. DSling

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    What it's required for the general assembly to approve it? My worry is that this ethyl be force feed to us

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  11. gc70

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    Good question.

    By a majority vote, the General Assembly can "Consider and make recommendations on the general principles of cooperation for maintaining international peace and security, including disarmament" - " except where a dispute or situation is currently being discussed by the Security Council."

    By a two-thirds vote, the General Assembly can "take action if the Security Council fails to act, owing to the negative vote of a permanent member."

    I have not heard anything about Security Council consideration of the Arms Trade Treaty, so I assume the General Assembly could approve the text of the treaty by a majority vote. However, General Assembly approval would only mean that specific language for the treaty was available and each country would then decide whether or not to ratify the treaty.

    If treaty language is approved, the real question is whether or not the Senate would vote to ratify the treaty. Even if the Senate ratified the treaty, the application of the treaty's provisions in the United States would still be subject to the Constitution.
     
  12. usmarine0352_2005

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    UN adopts treaty to regulate global arms trade

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    Looks like this just passed. What does this mean for gun companies?




    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...reaty-will-regulate-individual-gun-ownership/



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    Do you have a source for it passing? That article says "if passed".
     
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    Edit: I see the link now.
     
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    I just saw articles on Fox yesterday saying that it was unlikely to pass since at least 6 nations were set to veto it and it only needs 1 veto. It is crap legislation but then again it is the UN.
     
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    It passed. Check the front page of CNN. It's the banner so sourcing it wouldn't help.
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    And why would the US favor the treaty?

     
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    Time to see what it actually says...
     
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    I've been watching this for a bit. The Senate has been standing pretty firm against this treaty, and during the last budget negotiation, have reasserted that. I doubt the Senate would ever ratify it.

    Still, I hate the fact that we entertain anything the UN does. They are a joke, and should have no say in how we do business in our country.
     
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    Exactly! Other than being extremely corrupt, cowardly, and ineffective, I really cannot think of much that they bring to the table, particularly ours.
     
  23. joeschmoe

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    Where do you guys get these ideas from? Late night coast to coast radio conspiracy theories? The UN is nothing more than a place for countries to voluntarily get together to agree to work together. They aren't some unelected one world government handing down edicts to control us. This new "treaty" has no effect on us until our Congress ratifies it by passing a new law that allows it. That's it. As if the UN did not exist and Congress passed this law of it's own accord. Same thing.
    If the UN disbanded and the building was removed from NYC today, tomorrow we would still need a place for countries to get together to discuss issues and try to work together to resolve common problems. Better here than Brussels, Berlin or Bonn.

    The UN has no power over us, except what we agree to do ourselves. When we volunteer to enter into a treaty it is like signing a contract. That is all. We are bound by the terms, because we agreed to them. If we don't agree to them, we are not bound to the term.
     
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    Well, hell.

    I guess we can kiss 5.45x39, 5.7mm, and a host of other calibers goodbye.

    Damnit.
     
  25. DSling

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    Sui the president agreed to it but congress doesn't. So what does that do to the word of the president? What does that say about the US agreeing to it but not following it? If Italy follows it does that mean that we will no longer import their weapons because it has to be reported?

    Justifying my means with their end.
     
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