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Army vet disarmed of his AR and 1911 by cop

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by nathan, Apr 16, 2013.

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  1. dogtown tom

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    Uh huh, like everyone else..........you missed what occurred BEFORE the video began.

    Lots of internet lawyers in this thread proclaiming Sgt Grisham's innocence without knowing all the details.

    This is Texas, were everyone gets their day in court before we fry them.;)
     
  2. HOOfan_1

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    That would be rich if the only charge they arrested him for was "resisting arrest" They couldn't charge him with "disagreeing with their ignorance of the law"

    I really don't think these police officers were willfully trying to infringe on rights.....nothing like Daniel Harless.
     
  3. DeepSouth

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    I understand I didn't see what happened before the video began. But I did see him repeatedly ask if he was behind detained, I believe I can correctly assume if he had been told he was under arrest he wouldn't have been asking if he was being detained (aka arrested).

    He may have responded in an agitated manner at beginning of the encounter, I find that likely, but it's not illegal to the best of my knowledge , not smart by any means, but not illegal.

    I don't claim to be any kind of lawyer, I can't even understand legal paperwork most of the time. But if the first time you get told that your under arrest you were already cuffed, and have been left unattended then you aren't resting arrest. You don't have to be a lawyer to figure that one out.

    He gets out of this EASY.

    EDIT:
    Well maybe not so easy.

    They have changed the charges.


    From his site he has setup, to gather cash.
    http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/2nd-amendment-legal-defense-fund


    UPDATE (1 April 2013): My attorney received the incident reports and official charges from the DA today. The "resisting arrest" (class A misdemeanor) charge has disappeared and been replaced with "interference with public duties" (class B misdemeanor) charge. Neither charge is cause for taking my firearms and they still have not been returned. Now that we have official charges and incident reports, more information will be released this week. I am completely innocent of this and all charges and time will show that I did nothing wrong besides stand up for my rights as an American.



    That one may stick because of his ow video showing how agitated and uncooperative he was.
     
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  4. Bonesinium

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    If harassment and theft are public duties, then he was definitely interfering with them.

    The only crime I saw were violations of 18 USC § 242...by the guy wearing a badge.
     
  5. wow6599

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    Which was.......
     
  6. Double Naught Spy

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    One aspect not on the video was Grisham telling the cops that thet would not disarm him...as he admitted on Glenn Beck.
     
  7. dogtown tom

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    Really? You have to ask?

    NO ONE KNOWS unless you were there.......and since no one on this forum was there its just speculation whether its a valid arrest.

    Condemning the actions of the officer or Sgt Grisham without knowing the whole story is a bit stupid.
     
  8. wow6599

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    I just assumed you did know what happened before the video started, since you said: "you missed what occurred BEFORE the video began".

    So you don't really know if we missed anything.......right?
     
  9. texasgun

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    ok guys... seriously??

    A dude walks through a populated area with an AR15 on his shoulders, people call the cops and the cops HAVE to see what's going on... once a call goes in about a guy with a gun... they HAVE to follow up on that.

    He's not exactly cooperating and kinda acts like a jerk... and yes - TX is not clearly defined in terms of OC for rifles vs. the display of rifles...

    also: I live in WA State which is an OC state. Does this mean it's a great idea to walk through downtown Seattle with my Colt LE6940 across my shoulders? No - probably not.

    Sometimes it would be great if we would use common sense.... the quickest way to loose OC is when a bunch of guys walk around with guns in the streets and Cops get a lot of calls...

    I conceal carry inside the city and OC when hiking in the back-country.
     
  10. cassandrasdaddy

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    common sense is no longer common. i suspect that a bit more polite from both partys in the beginning and a less testosterone mighta gone a long way to a happier result.
     
  11. CApighunter

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    Cop-"We are exempt from the law"
    Vet-"You ain't exempt from the law"
    Cop-"Yes we are"

    This is the scariest part for me. Many cops believe they are above the law an don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of society. I have nothing against law enforcement as a whole, just the ones who have total disregard for the constitution.
    CApighunter
     
  12. CapnMac

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    Well, except that's not what he did.

    Go watch the video, but watch over the shoulders. The sergeant was not sauntering about downtown Temple. He was not really in Temple proper, but out in the 'Heights, which is trailer parks and occasional houses on a mix of 2-5 and 5-10 acre lots.
    Really, go back and look at all that empty in the background, it looks very similar over the camera operator's shoulder, too.

    Further, the AR was in a patrol sling, not over a shoulder.

    Now, some of the folk who live in the 'Heights are nervous nellies--their 'neighbors' in the trailer parks are not setting a high moral bar (some fail to have as much value as the excrement of pond scum).

    Not the nicest of neighborhoods (Everett would be a bit of an improvement to that side of town). But, the choices for where a person can go park the ride, then hike 5 miles out and back are not numerous, which meant having to go to the edges.

    The sort of place where there are some would not dial 911 for MWaG, but might just decide that a passing stranger needed shooting and right now. Where that fully-concealed handgun might not have the reach a person might want to respond to irrational actions.
     
  13. texasgun

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    I honestly don't know what "threats" the guy was expecting when going with his AR15 for a walk... having lived close to that area in Texas for 4 yrs I can safely say that there's not much around which cannot be stopped by a .45
     
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    If I remember correctly he told glen beck he had walked by 1 house. He was around the 5 mile mark in the hike when the cop showed up, at least that what he says.

    Not a populated area by any means.
     
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    Testosterone is not an illegal drug; we are born with it, and it makes us what we are. Try turning it off when you see a hot looking girl. We just have to deal with it as best we can, and I'm guessing both officers and detainee did the best they could.
     
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    Hey...that is the anti-gunner's favorite argument. "No one really NEEDS....."
     
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    "shall
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  18. Trung Si

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    To stir a Hornets Nest, either.;)
     
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    Everyone needs a burka in Texas I guess.
     
  20. Trung Si

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    [QUOTEEveryone needs a burka in Texas I guess.][/QUOTE]
    No I don't think so, we have enough of them in Austin and Dallas!
     
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    No, it isn't about need. The law says nothing about need, but Grisham is playing up a need about feral hogs and mountain lions in the area, for which I don't think there is a recorded attack on people in Temple in the last 100 years.
     
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    It's on video. Id say this cop and his sgt are done.

    Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.
     
  23. HOOfan_1

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    Grisham doesn't need to justify himself...the cops do
     
  24. Double Naught Spy

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    And yet he did.

    The cops will, in court. That is sort of how the process works.
     
  25. HOOfan_1

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    Grisham is justifying himself to the media. Some people seem to want to alibi the police because they don't think he "needed" a rifle.

    Not sure why anyone on a RKBA website would care what his reasons were for legally carrying a gun....
     
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