AR's - Covering your bases in case of a new AWB

[Diggler]

Let's assume (hopefully) that the AWB will go away in September.

Let's also look at the possibility that there could very well be another AWB put through in 2005 or later.

Since I don't have the money to stock up on lots of Evil Black Rifles, I'm thinking about taking the following actions:

Pre-September:
1. Buy at least 3 Mega stripped lower receivers ($89). I have 2 sons, so one for me and one for each of them.
2. Buy one lower receiver parts kit (maybe enough for all, depending on cash).
3. Buy one stripped upper receiver and all other parts except for barrel and stock.
4. Assemble as much as I can on one of the lowers.

Post AWB:
1. Buy one 16" threaded barrel with bayonet lug.
2. Buy collapsible stock.
3. Assemble one complete AR.

Devious part(?):
1. Take picture of rifle, take rifle and picture with statement that all these features were on the rifle after end of AWB and before any new AWB to notary, have it notarized that I have an EBR with every available evil feature.
2. Go home, strip down EBR.
3. Assemble another lower, put evil upper/evil stock on second lower and repeat the photo/notary thing.
4. Repeat 2 & 3 with third lower, etc. until you're out of lowers.

My thinking is that since the current law (and most other laws like this) say that the gun had to be proven to be assembled as an EBR before the ban went into effect in order to be considered a 'pre-ban', I could easily lock in several lower receivers at dirt cheap prices that could either be accessorized any way I want after a new ban, or sold for hefty profits later on.

What do you think?

 

[Harry Tuttle]

buy one of these:

http://www.cmmginc.com/cmmg_images/tbl_images/accessories_images/750_Bayo_Lug.jpg
Bayonet Lug Adapter._ Fits .750 diameter barrels._ Works ideally with 16" preban HBARs_ that have the bayonet_ positioned too far back from the flash hider.
$25.95
http://www.cmmginc.com/inventory_a/Accessories_EverthingElse_tbl.html

On September 14th attach to each US made, pistol gripped, removable mag-ed, semi auto for 15 minutes

Photograph with the September 14th, CNN web page displayed in the background
and burn images to CD

 

[Coronach]

This assumes that any replacement Ban would mimic this one in terms of forbidden features, definitions thereof, definition of 'assault weapon', have similar grandfathering, etc.

Still, not a bad idea.

Mike

 

[Diggler]

I'm not sure about anything other than notaried.

You could use the wayback machine to get old web pages, or save it to your hard drive now. If using newspapers, you could find an old paper. Heck, I could get a WWII newspaper from Ebay.

Notaries would definitely have to be legal... the gov't says so. And it's only a couple of bucks.

 

[Badger Arms]

My plan was to get archival paper and print the digital pictures on the paper that the notary is to sign. Make sure that you fill in the serial numbers with paint so they show really well. And who's talking three, I'm thinking 10 receivers. Worse case, you will have to sell them off later at cost... Dollar Bills are just paper, a receiver holds its value!

 

[Diggler]

I can justify three to the wife.

The others, well... I may pick up more as needed, but I want to guarantee three.

I was thinking that 10 was a good number too, that could possibly help with college expenses, if a permanent ban ever comes into being. Just think of what 10 pre-86 M-16 lowers would be worth today versus original cost, only ~20 years later!

 

[Harry Tuttle]

IMHO, the bayonet mount is the simplest currently evil feature to append to a rifle.

i'm thinking a clever man could make a functional "lug" out of a hose clamp and a piece of angle iron.
A home brew "Flash Hider" might be fun too.
i may put together a "Martha Stewart" style, evil feature, craft party web page.

 

[Redlg155]

I'll definitely pick up some stripped lowers.

Come September it's going to be a pain to find someone will collapsible stocks on hand. I'm sure they will sell like hotcakes. It seems collapsible stock are way more important than bayo lugs for most folks.


Good Shooting
Red

 

[ScottsGT]

I'm thinking that the receiver had to be built as a rifle by the mfgr.?

 

[Redlg155]

I'm thinking that the receiver had to be built as a rifle by the mfgr.?

Anyone can assemble assemble the lower reciever and build it up into a rifle. However, the burden of proof that the rifle was in complete form prior to the 94 ban is up to the owner, hence the discussion about taking photographs, notaries, etc..if a new ban were enacted in 2004.

With a factory built rifle you can have the factory send you a letter attesting to the fact that the weapon left the factory as a complete rifle or stripped lower, shifting the burden of proof from you to the factory. A bill of sale will also suffice for those who purchased weapons from manufacturers that are out of business, or in the case of Olympic Arms, having a fire destroy all their records.

Good SHooting
Red

 

[boofus]

Come september I'm buying a buttload of Beta C-mags and 20 round FiveseveN mags in case another awb comes up. As far as proof of when they were purchased I'm not gonna do anything out of the ordinary.

The frickin govt should have to prove you are guilty of a crime. You shouldn't have to prove your innocence.
:banghead:

 

[Ghost10750]

Diggler ?

Do you have a web address for the Mega stripped lower receivers?

 

[BigG]

I really don't think it's going to be an issue, Dirk.

Federal "crimes" are rarely enforced unless they are added on to other charges against "evildoers."


There must be myriads of so called assault rifles out there that have already been modified from their neutered post ban appearance to total evilness. IIRC I've seen a few at the range...

 

[Harry Tuttle]

i agree that collapsable stocks and threaded barrel ends are much more useful features

the current feature count says:

§ 921(a)(30) The term 'semiautomatic assault weapon'
means:

(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at
least 2 of -

(i) a folding or telescopic stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
and
(v) a grenade launcher;


adding any 2nd evil feature to a non "SAW" elevates it to "SAW" status

if in 2005 they pass an extension to the original law,
any postbans that gain a 3rd feature after September 14th, 2004 become "interesting"

If 100,000 post bans gain a bayonet lug,
it might make passing an extension Post Facto-ly difficult

Adding a collapsable stock requires a ~50 dollar outlay,
about the same for a trip to the smith for a barrel threading

a $3.95 bayonet lug could be a cheap ticket to preserving the rifles SAW status.
It would also point out the ludicrous nature of a cosmetic feature based ban.
after all, what is a Bayonet Mount?

 

[Diggler]

However, the burden of proof that the rifle was in complete form prior to the 94 ban is up to the owner, hence the discussion about taking photographs, notaries, etc..if a new ban were enacted in 2004.

Don't you love how we're innocent until proven guilty in this country?

Do you have a web address for the Mega stripped lower receivers?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=153544

Federal "crimes" are rarely enforced unless they are added on to other charges against "evildoers."

Yeah, but I don't want to hide it. What if I want my family to march in the Memorial Day parade someday while carrying our EBR's?

I believe that at least with the current ban, TECHNICALLY you couldn't add on anything that wasn't on it at sometime before the ban. Not that they'd know. So you would already need the collapsible stock, threaded barrel/flash hider and bayonet lug to have all three after the fact.

I'm going with the threaded barrel for sure, because even with the tax stamp, suppressor cans aren't THAT expensive and I'd like to get one someday.

 

[Diggler]

To skip the chatter and go straight to the webpage,

http://www.carricozarmory.com/products/megalower.htm

Although the satisfaction level seems to run pretty high at arfcom.

 

[DMK]

the bayonet mount is the simplest currently evil feature to append to a rifle.

Buy a box of USGI type flash suppressors for about $5-$10 each and superglue them to the end of the barrels. It's just for a picture, right?

 

[Diggler]

I'm actually planning on taking the rifles in along with the papers to sign. (I know the guy.) I want to be sure that everything is accounted for in no uncertain terms.

 

[Badger Arms]

... just thinking

Are we missing a few features? Carry handles, forward pistol grips, and accessory rails are all features that they are itching to add. If you want them grandfathered, you might put them in your pictures as well!

So, let's see...

1) Collapsable Stock
2) Bayonet Lug
3) Threaded Muzzle
4) Flash Suppressor
5) Free-Floating Rail System
6) Forward Pistol Grip
7) Mounted Flashlight
8) Mounted Laser Aimer
9) Carry Handle
10) SniperScope (A Holosight, Dot Sight, Telescopic Sight, and/or Tritium 'Nuclear' reticle Scope)
11) Assault Sling (You know, top-mounted sling)
12) Trigger Enhancement Device Mounted (Hellfire, GAT, etc.)

Now, MOUNT IT ALL! Yep, the laser, flashlight, all four styles of "SniperScopes," Pistol Grip, Trigger enhancer, EVERYTHING! In fact, order it as a component receiver, log it out as a pistol, and build it into an Assault Pistol First as well! I'm all over this. Just build one Swiss-Army gun and swap out receivers for the photo shoot. Make a day of it. Eat red meat, smoke a cigar, and celebrate after the guns are bedded down by drinking a 6-pack of Budweiser!

 

[ctdonath]

Don't expect the '05 AWB to be a mere repeat.

They tried the "cosmetic aggregate" approach and failed. We've told them repeatedly why it failed, and I expect they'll listen.

Next time 'round it will be simpler: a ban on semi-autos which accept detachable magazines of indeterminite size, and grandfathered items will be declared Class III (huge headache & expense to transfer). The argument will be: "you don't need more than a 10-round fixed mag in a semi-auto to blast Bambi; anything more is horribly dangerous, no new AWs should be made, and transfers of existing AWs should be carefully screened by the feds". This will have the effect they intended...including leaving SKS-types un-covered and ripe for further restrictions.