Asking for some 9mm WIN WST Info

[1SOW]

I've loaded many thousands of 9mm luger with a few powders Vit n320 has been my preferred powder for some time. Looking at the powder charts and knowing it does well in 40 cal, I'm interested in finding out if WIN WST will fill my 9mm needs.
I'm hoping some shooters who have used it can give me a little info.

1. I'm loading 124/125 jacketed bullets to get approximately 1050 ft/sec--a fairly light load. How does WST behave in 9mm with light loads? Recoil? Flip? Accuracy? Cleanliness?
Does it meter well?

2. I haven't had much luck finding "Load Data" for 9mm using WST. Hogdon's/Win's sight offered zip. Where can I find 9mm WST load data?

Any pertinent info or advice is appreciated.

Thanks

Edited to add: Shooting a lightly sprung CZ75B. Looking for 130+ PF/1050 or so speed

 

[Beancounter81]

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[Shmackey]

I want to know about this too. WST (along with Clays) is my favorite powder for .45 ACP. I have no doubt that it would do well in 9mm, but Winchester no longer publishes 9mm WST data. I think there is some info over at Brian Enos's forum, but those guys shoot 147s loaded long and such.

 

[rfwobbly]

If I remember correctly, the issue is going to be lack of published load info.

Since N320 is a very clean single-base, you might transition better to PB or Solo1250, both of which are also single-base and have more published data. Take a look at their positions on THIS chart relative to N320.

 

[john16443]

I've also been experimenting with WST in 9mm and 45ACP and have found it meters well, fills the cases to the max in 9mm, isn't overly smokey and load data is hard to come by. What published data I have found is from older Hornady information that I'll reproduce here. Sorry for any formatting issues...

124GR FMJFP(1.05”) OR FMJRN (1.15”) OR LRN (1.09”)

950 1000 1025 1050 1075 1100 1125 1150 fps
4.4 4.6g 4.8g 5.0g 5.2g 5.4g --- ---


Other tidbits I've been able to collect include the following, take them for what they're worth as I'm not responsible for the origin of the information...

A moderator at CZ Forum uses 4.8 to 5.2 WST under Berry's 124gr. HP and is very happy with that load.

I would stay between 4.5 and 4.8gr WST and stay below 1,100 fps with 124gr. Bullets

I'm using 4.3 WST with a 115 Lead RN and have been happy.

4.8gr-5.1gr under a 124grJHP/FMJ, go as long an OAL that will fit your gun

5.0grs of WST behind Berry's 124gr FP with an OAL 1.150" is all I shoot through my Glock 19

9mm - 115grn. bullet w/5.0grns. WST

9mm = 124gr OR 115gr 5.0 WST. Accurate, soft shooting, CLEAN load.

Start Xtreme 124gr RN plated OAL 1.140 WST 4.5gr
Workup to Xtreme 124gr RN plated OAL 1.140 WST 4.8gr

My working load for a 124grLTC is 4.8gr, "sweet load" happened when I started loading them at 4.8 - 5.0

124 Dardas - The 4.5 and 4.6 were very accurate with the 4.6 being spot-on up to 50 feet

I've settled on 4.8gr of WST for 124gr bullets as well. 4.5gr shot, but my glock would eject the cases towards to face. 4.8gr works the best all around.

I did the 1.13 @ 4.5g Fred suggested and it did just fine. 124

125 gr - 4.2 or 4.3 grains WST 1.130 OAL 1068 fps out of my my 5 inch STI Trojan

 

[Sin City Shootist]

Never used WST for 9mm but I have use WSF for both the 9 and the 40. Great powder for both and it measures quite well.

 

[Walkalong]

you might transition better to PB or Solo1250,

Solo 1250 is great stuff for light 9MM loads, but unfortunately is discontinued. If you do have some, do not compress it. N320, as you know, is outstanding for light 9MM stuff.

No reason WST would not work in light 9MM loads, especially with lead, but I have not tried it.

 

[Cherokee]

I have had good results using WST in 9mm - John16443's post has data similar to my use so can't add much except to say it works. For reference, 4.7 gr with 122 gr TC cast bullet gave me an average 1120 fps at the chron today.

 

[1SOW]

Shmakey said:

I think there is some info over at Brian Enos's forum, but those guys shoot 147s loaded long and such.

I did some/quite a lot of searching there and did see the 147 loads.


RF said :

Since N320 is a very clean single-base, you might transition better to PB or Solo1250, both of which are also single-base and have more published data. Take a look at their positions on THIS chart relative to N320

I have looked at the same chart. I'm being led/"mis-led" by a GM 40 limited major shooter who says WST also shoots well in 9mm minor.
I probably should try find users of those s.b. powders, but I haven't heard/read of anyone using them.

John16443 said:

125 gr - 4.2 or 4.3 grains WST 1.130 OAL 1068 fps out of my my 5 inch STI Trojan

I like the Zero 125JHP and MG 124CMJ, so this is in my ballpark---surprisingly little powder here.
Did you develop the loads, or did you find some data.? DUH< you said old Hornady!
CZ75B, 4.72"bbl.

Thanks guys.

 

[32dgrz]

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1359294

I load 124s at 4.6 wst

 

[1SOW]

32dgrz: Thanks.
I can't help but be skeptical that 5.0 grs WST will drive Hornady 124gr fmj-rn, fmj fn, and lead rn all at 1050 fps. Maybe so.

Either way, 4.8 or 5.0 shows as a fairly light load in several places.
4.4/4.6 should be a safe load-building starting point for a Zero 125 jhp @ (1.1-ish") / MG 124 CMJ @ (1.14-ish").

Thank you all.
I'm still interested in others' results using WST for 9mm light competition loads, flip, flash, cleanliness, etc.

 

[john16443]

I've got some 124gr Montana Gold HP's loaded up at 4.8 and 5.0 grains for testing this week. My COL was 1.08" for the 4.8 grains and I increased it to 1.10" for the 5.0 grains because it looked like I would be compressing the powder. This COL was selected on the basis of the Hornady XTP bullets, as the MG's are dimensionally the same. 4.8grains or more of WST in a 9mm case really fills it up. I'll be careful with the first shot of these loads to see what kind of recoil I get and if the brass shows signs of overpressure.

I've shot 5.0gr WST using 124RN Berry's bullets at 1.14: COL and my notes indicate there was strong recoil. The same load in 115RN Berry's was OK, no mention of strong recoil.

 

[Shmackey]

This will work nicely with my existing loading approach of loading everything with 4, 4.4, or 44.4 grains of powder.

 

[1SOW]

John 16443,

This COL was selected on the basis of the Hornady XTP bullets,

Coal depends on your pistol. My 75B will accept a MG 124jhp at a max usable coal of 1.1", so that's what I use with "That" bullet. The zero 125JHP will run a few thousandnths longer in my gun, but I still use 1.1" for "kiss" purposes. I use the bbl drop-in test to find the OAL where bullet profile touches the lands, then subtract .015" to allow for press variations and a little head space.
Every different bullet and pistol combo is different.

It sounds like the WST may occupy more case volume than n320. n320 is about a half case-full at 4.0 grs.

Good luck on your test loads. I hope it's a little fast at 5.0 grs..
4.8 or less would be nicely below the bullet base and reduce that 'flip'/recoil some.

Anxious to hear your results.